Ford Charge Station Pro - not available as option for SR?

[simonsays]

During the F150 Lightning Event in DC I was told that the Ford Charge Station Pro, which is included with ER models, will also be sold separately, making Ford Intelligent Backup Power, i.e. the ability to use the Lightning to power the house, available to SR customers.
It was also mentioned multiple times in various threads that Bi-directional charging will be possible with SR.

However, I cannot find the Ford Charge Station Pro as Option in the Order Guide or the Price List. It comes with the ER models, but apparently cannot be ordered separately.

Am I missing something? Does anyone know more?

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[adoublee]

During the F150 Lightning Event in DC I was told that the Ford Charge Station Pro, which is included with ER models, will also be sold separately, making Ford Intelligent Backup Power, i.e. the ability to use the Lightning to power the house, available to SR customers.
It was also mentioned multiple times in various threads that Bi-directional charging will be possible with SR.

However, I cannot find the Ford Charge Station Pro as Option in the Order Guide or the Price List. It comes with the ER models, but apparently cannot be ordered separately.

Am I missing something? Does anyone know more?

You will have to buy it directly from Sunrun who is having it made for Ford. Available staring around March. Sunrun will also sell the other equipment if you want the intelligent home back-up, and SR vehicles will require an additional "activation" fee of unknown magnitude be paid.

 

[Lime Green]

I think it's a supply thing. Yes, it's supposed to be available... Some other options are supposed to be available too like the power-deployable running boards for Lariat and Platinum trims and tonneau covers. Looks like Ford has really streamlined the Build and Price and order guides so you'll have to just buy one separately later.

Edit> Looks like the order guide actually has those running boards and the tonneau covers present. As for the Charge Station Pro, since it's delivered separately with the ER battery as it is. it looks like Ford is intending the customer to order it on their own rather than adding it to the vehicle order.

 

[broncoaz]

According to an article I read, the 80A charger won’t be any faster than the 48A charger on the SR battery, both taking 10 hours for a full charge. I’m not sure how this will impact house backup power.

https://www.designnews.com/automoti...n-pro-cuts-lightning-recharge-time-40-percent

The smaller standard-range, 230-mile battery pack will charge in 14 hours using the dryer plug and Mobile Charger and takes ten hours to charge using the 48-amp Connected Charge Station wall box. The standard battery still needs ten hours to charge with the 80-amp Charge Station Pro because that vehicle doesn’t have to dual onboard chargers necessary to exploit the extra power available.

 

[adoublee]

According to an article I read, the 80A charger won’t be any faster than the 48A charger on the SR battery, both taking 10 hours for a full charge. I’m not sure how this will impact house backup power.

https://www.designnews.com/automoti...n-pro-cuts-lightning-recharge-time-40-percent

The smaller standard-range, 230-mile battery pack will charge in 14 hours using the dryer plug and Mobile Charger and takes ten hours to charge using the 48-amp Connected Charge Station wall box. The standard battery still needs ten hours to charge with the 80-amp Charge Station Pro because that vehicle doesn’t have to dual onboard chargers necessary to exploit the extra power available.

The 80A charger will only do 40A for home back-up, so no difference in power capability for that feature. The SR would just run out of motivated electrons faster.

 

[tbinmd]

Well you might be able to use the Pro charging station to charge an SR truck, but for power backup the question should be: Will the SR battery truck have the onboard charger built in to allow pulling power out of the truck? Some manufactures offer different onboard chargers beyond the 7.2 or 9.6 built in charger for AC.

 

[Lime Green]

The 80A charger will only do 40A for home back-up, so no difference in power capability for that feature. The SR would just run out of motivated electrons faster.

Where did you get that info?

It’s using the reverse-tap output feature for the J1772/CCS power and output from the truck is DC. The SR may very well be limited to 40A for home backup or reverse-tap output. The ER battery version can sustain an 80A load for power backup and the charger, its associated inverter with integrated breaker panel must exist on a 100A circuit from the main panel.

 

[adoublee]

Where did you get that info?

It’s using the reverse-tap output feature for the J1772/CCS power and output from the truck is DC. The SR may very well be limited to 40A for home backup or reverse-tap output. The ER battery version can sustain an 80A load for power backup and the charger, its associated inverter with integrated breaker panel must exist on a 100A circuit from the main panel.

All marketing has been that intelligent backup output is 9.6kW max. The term reverse-tap output is new to me but nothing has been printed by Ford or Sunrun saying the intelligent output will be through CCS pins, despite speculation. Sunrun page this week says Ford Chatge Station Pro connector will be J1772 common to all-electric EVs that use J1772, including Tesla via commonly used (J1772) adapter.

https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/2022/
https://www.sunrun.com/ev-charging/ford-f150-lightning

 

[jefro]

I still get the feeling they were or are using DC output to power house.

 

[merobin]

During the F150 Lightning Event in DC I was told that the Ford Charge Station Pro, which is included with ER models, will also be sold separately, making Ford Intelligent Backup Power, i.e. the ability to use the Lightning to power the house, available to SR customers.
It was also mentioned multiple times in various threads that Bi-directional charging will be possible with SR.

However, I cannot find the Ford Charge Station Pro as Option in the Order Guide or the Price List. It comes with the ER models, but apparently cannot be ordered separately.

Am I missing something? Does anyone know more?

You can always just use the 240 volt/30 amp outlet in the bed (with the pro power option) and run a cord to a transfer switch connected to your main panel. I live in FL, and have a transfer switch that runs essential circuits (fridge, well pump, microwave, etc.). The F-150 with short range battery would run my emergency needs for days. I'm not interested in having the F-150 automatically start, and run the whole house. I would actually prefer to plug it in, turn on the needed circuits when I want. I do understand that with the F-150 hybrid there has a grounding requirement that means you need a compatible transfer switch, but those are only $150-300. I suspect that will be true of the LIghtning as well. I will be very happy to get rid of my generator and use the Lightning just as I would the gen

 

[Pilot2022]

You can always just use the 240 volt/30 amp outlet in the bed (with the pro power option) and run a cord to a transfer switch connected to your main panel. I live in FL, and have a transfer switch that runs essential circuits (fridge, well pump, microwave, etc.). The F-150 with short range battery would run my emergency needs for days. I'm not interested in having the F-150 automatically start, and run the whole house. I would actually prefer to plug it in, turn on the needed circuits when I want. I do understand that with the F-150 hybrid there has a grounding requirement that means you need a compatible transfer switch, but those are only $150-300. I suspect that will be true of the LIghtning as well. I will be very happy to get rid of my generator and use the Lightning just as I would the gen

That’s my plan as well; no interest in anything intelligent from Sunrun and paying extra.

I would still keep the gen for any extended outages. I plan to use truck to power the house at night so not to disturb the neighbors…

 

[JSJ]

So is there anyway to automatically power your house with the pro SR? I’d love to get the ER battery but I’m not paying an extra +30k for it. I’m fine with the SR only being able to power the house for a shorter time than the ER.

 

[Lime Green]

I still get the feeling they were or are using DC output to power house.

I’ve read a few things to indicate that. Also, why else would there be an inverter built into the Charge Station Pro?

There seems to be discrepancies in the marketing on this. Most of the more technical stuff indicates that it’s 80A DC from the truck back to the CSP. But most of the more common and less technical info is implying that it’s 9.6kW, almost saying that it uses the onboard Pro Power inverter, which is weird, but totally understandable if you have a marketing department trying to make sense of it.

If it’s feeding AC out of the truck, it would make the most sense to utilize the onboard charger(s) to do the DC to AC conversion, which stands to reason then that the home backup output would be either 40 or 80 Amps. If feeding DC back for the CSP inverter to deal with, it makes no sense to restrict it to 40A or whatever as that becomes quite limiting for a true backup power source. The ER battery on the truck stores nearly 9X what a Tesla PowerWall stores, but if they’re going to limit its output to 9.6kW or less, then its being severely neutered. Interesting that an individual PowerWall output is 9.6kW max, 7kW continuous. Of course you stack more if you need more. Most PowerWall installations for true backup utilize two PowerWall units. Or a PowerWall+ with the attached inverter and a second PW to bring capacity up to 26kWh and 19kW peak/ 14kW continuous output so you can actually keep your heat on as well as some lights and maybe cook something. It’s not that we need those 14kW as a continuous source, nothing of the sort. And it’s not like it will need to power all attached loads regularly.

What’s really interesting is the most appropriate scenario for an emergency backup seems to like the need to handle the contingency of having 3 x 120V 15A loads plus a 220V 30A load all suddenly needing to pull at the same time. That’s a peak load of 12kW. Sustained 80% loads on those circuits brings the continuous draw of that power arrangement to 9.6kW.

Setting all the napkin math aside, I’m thinking the truck’s power output will in fact be DC and there will be an inverter in the CSP to facilitate the power to home/grid conversion. I’ll spitball and say that it will be 60A DC output, not the full 80A, which would allow for 12kW peak with a tiny bit of overhead and a comfortably sustained 9.6kW.

 

[merobin]

So is there anyway to automatically power your house with the pro SR? I’d love to get the ER battery but I’m not paying an extra +30k for it. I’m fine with the SR only being able to power the house for a shorter time than the ER.

Sorry, I have no idea. I suppose if I were away for an extended time, and a hurricane knocked out the power, it would be nice to have something automatically backup the fridge. In 34 years in FL with hurricanes, I have never needed the automatic feature. I am always at home, or close enough to turn it on manually. And actually, if it is bad enough for me to leave to avoid a hurricane, losing what is in the fridge without automatic power back is a pretty trivial concern for me!

 

[JSJ]

Sorry, I have no idea. I suppose if I were away for an extended time, and a hurricane knocked out the power, it would be nice to have something automatically backup the fridge. In 34 years in FL with hurricanes, I have never needed the automatic feature. I am always at home, or close enough to turn it on manually. And actually, if it is bad enough for me to leave to avoid a hurricane, losing what is in the fridge without automatic power back is a pretty trivial concern for me!

Agreed, I’m more concerned if I’m sleeping or not at home while the truck is charging and we have a storm or an accident that knocks power out. I have a saltwater fish tank that would be nice to be backed up instead of the temporary backups I have now on it, plus the fridge/freezer is extra incentive.

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