Concerns about your recently delivered Lightning?

[Sam James]

Hmm…that doesn’t seem right. With both the Volt & our Rav4 Prime - we’ve only ever had a L1 charger. Always get ~3-4 miles/hour, and 40-50 overnight. That’s with multiple chargers, at multiple locations.

Our ID.4 gets about 3 miles/hour on L1. I’d think the Lightning getting about two is probably about right due to inefficiencies over our cars.

Feels like a big misstep to not ship the Pro Charger with the truck.

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[sotek2345]

Hmm…that doesn’t seem right. With both the Volt & our Rav4 Prime - we’ve only ever had a L1 charger. Always get ~3-4 miles/hour, and 40-50 overnight. That’s with multiple chargers, at multiple locations.

Those are much more efficient vehicles. The Lightning gets far fewer miles out of the same kwhrs.

 

[detroitlightning]

Those are much more efficient vehicles. The Lightning gets far fewer miles out of the same kwhrs.

that makes perfect sense - I’ve (stupidly) never thought about it in those terms.

 

[Regular150]

Only thing I've noticed is that in order to not get the 'Keep hands on the wheel' when in blue cruise is to always have some slight left or right turning pressure when it wants your hands on the wheel. Even if I'm resting my hands at 10 and 2 I get the damn keep the hands on the wheel.

When it goes into hands free mode, it's amazing. When in the left lane of a four lane highway it does kind of hug the center line though. Kinda sketchy being so close to semis and shit.

Shhh, this is my son's way of Blue cruise Light" do not recommend. # shoeabuse.

 

[BoreBrotherBore]

That is awesome. See you guys figured out the slight turning pressure trick too. I just keep my leg against the bottom of the wheel with a little turning pressure.

Otherwise everything is working great. Took a couple of my Vietnam vet uncles out for a ride today. Quite fun in Sport mode with traction control off. They about shit themselves the first time I let it go from a stand still.

 

[LightningShow]

It depends on your GOM estimate but based on EPA miles 1.4 kW x 11 hr x 2.4 mi/kwh should get you ~38 miles before charging losses. If your GOM is assuming 1.8 mi/kwh then 22 miles is probably right in the ballpark.

 

[GDN]

Only thing I've noticed is that in order to not get the 'Keep hands on the wheel' when in blue cruise is to always have some slight left or right turning pressure when it wants your hands on the wheel. Even if I'm resting my hands at 10 and 2 I get the damn keep the hands on the wheel.

When it goes into hands free mode, it's amazing. When in the left lane of a four lane highway it does kind of hug the center line though. Kinda sketchy being so close to semis and shit.

I read through the manual when it first came out a month or so back. If I recall in at least one of the modes you can tell it how you want "centered" in the lane. Left, center, right.

 

[sotek2345]

I read through the manual when it first came out a month or so back. If I recall in at least one of the modes you can tell it how you want "centered" in the lane. Left, center, right.

If it works the same as the Mach-e, you just nudge (with the steering wheel) the vehicle to where you want it in the lane, hold it a bit and then it will keep that location.

 

[Beans]

Hmm…that doesn’t seem right. With both the Volt & our Rav4 Prime - we’ve only ever had a L1 charger. Always get ~3-4 miles/hour, and 40-50 overnight. That’s with multiple chargers, at multiple locations.

You get 3-4 miles/hour because you have half the battery. Cut the 3 in half and the lightning gets 1.5 miles/hour on L1.

 

[Beans]

I read through the manual when it first came out a month or so back. If I recall in at least one of the modes you can tell it how you want "centered" in the lane. Left, center, right.

I need to search for that option. I noticed the same, it seems to hug the center line.

 

[hturnerfamily]

Our new Kia Sorento PHEV with all the 'automated' driving technology, only requires a slight movement, or 'nudge', of the wheel to let it know that you are alive and well. I love it.
When you need to 'take over' and drive it yourself, it simply allows you to and remains active in the background, ready to continue 'driving' when you let go.

On the other hand, I drove recently a Model 3 long-range to Texas from Georgia to the San Antonio Ford event, and did NOT love it's automated driving system - while it is similar, if you want to 'take over' the driving, or otherwise CORRECT it from taking you off the interstate and down an off-ramp, it requires a LOT or torque from the steering wheel, and it can SUDDENLY jerk the car one way or the other other as you 'take over' the wheel - it feels REALLY UNSAFE>>>>>> I'm sure other drivers behind me thought I was having a heart-attack or maybe even had a 'few too many'.... not good.
Also, what really got me is that when you do 'take over' the wheel, it automatically TURNS OFF the automated system, so that you can't simply decide to let go of the wheel when you are ready, but have to 'again' pull down the right stalk/wiper to 'active' the system again... not very good.

So, what I'm getting about the LIGHTNING's automated driving system is that you have a similar steering/lane control, but need to let it know periodically that you are alive and well, UNLESS you have the 'active' Blue Cruise, which allows for totally 'hands free' driving along certain mapped roads, with no requirement to touch or move the wheel periodically. It reads you eye movement, instead.

 

[ilkhan]

You get 3-4 miles/hour because you have half the battery. Cut the 3 in half and the lightning gets 1.5 miles/hour on L1.

That would apply to the battery percentage charged.

Lightning both has a large battery and relatively high consumption. It takes a lot of juice to charge quickly, and the same number of electrons doesn't get you as far.

So compared to a model 3 with the same power input, you take longer to charge (% charged/hour) and consume them quicker (miles charged/hour)

 

[sotek2345]

Our new Kia Sorento PHEV with all the 'automated' driving technology, only requires a slight movement, or 'nudge', of the wheel to let it know that you are alive and well. I love it.
When you need to 'take over' and drive it yourself, it simply allows you to and remains active in the background, ready to continue 'driving' when you let go.

On the other hand, I drove recently a Model 3 long-range to Texas from Georgia to the San Antonio Ford event, and did NOT love it's automated driving system - while it is similar, if you want to 'take over' the driving, or otherwise CORRECT it from taking you off the interstate and down an off-ramp, it requires a LOT or torque from the steering wheel, and it can SUDDENLY jerk the car one way or the other other as you 'take over' the wheel - it feels REALLY UNSAFE>>>>>> I'm sure other drivers behind me thought I was having a heart-attack or maybe even had a 'few too many'.... not good.
Also, what really got me is that when you do 'take over' the wheel, it automatically TURNS OFF the automated system, so that you can't simply decide to let go of the wheel when you are ready, but have to 'again' pull down the right stalk/wiper to 'active' the system again... not very good.

So, what I'm getting about the LIGHTNING's automated driving system is that you have a similar steering/lane control, but need to let it know periodically that you are alive and well, UNLESS you have the 'active' Blue Cruise, which allows for totally 'hands free' driving along certain mapped roads, with no requirement to touch or move the wheel periodically. It reads you eye movement, instead.

That is correct. It is also much similar to the Kia system - no hard jerk required to take over - just enough pressure to override the system (relatively small - no disruption to the vehicle). Putting our your turn signal also temporarily turns off the lane centering to let you change lanes easily. It then pops right back on. A very easy to use system on the Highway.

 

[Beans]

That would apply to the battery percentage charged.

Lightning both has a large battery and relatively high consumption. It takes a lot of juice to charge quickly, and the same number of electrons doesn't get you as far.

So compared to a model 3 with the same power input, you take longer to charge (% charged/hour) and consume them quicker (miles charged/hour)

That was my point. With the lightning and L1 charging, you will get 1.5 - 2 miles/hours of charge. For a smaller vehicle that uses fewer kWh to go the same distance, you're miles per hour charging at l1 will be higher.

 

[CRAIGC540]

My job is getting estimates to put in 6 chargers. What would you say bare minimum kWh charger should be? I can let him know.

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