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UPDATE: The masses have spoken. Through a number of thoughtful posts (and a few trolls), this one appears to be an annoyance to only a few, and the majority don't feel it's an annoyance to have to open and close both the "fuel door" and the "DC charging flap" manually (or share the annoyance that the two overlap each other). Fair enough, in my experience it's an extreme convenience, but I'll get used to building some muscle memory for the additional steps. Many felt it was "yet another thing to break", although I do point out that there is a manufacturer out there who has made this work in four-season weather without significant hurdles. There are some concerns about the long-term longevity of the charge door, given that it is plastic versus traditional fuel doors' body metal - time will tell. To those who provided thoughtful comments and didn't just troll, thank you.

First, I'll admit I'm spoiled. I first had Tesla's auto-open charging port on the early cars, and then the auto-open/auto-close charge port on my following cars. It's EXTREMELY convenient. Taking a step back with the Lightning, I'm leaving the charge port door open nearly EVERY TIME I charge, because the engineers just thought of it just like filling a fuel tank (which is a really bad analogy).

But now that I have my FCSP installed, it's even worse. You see, the Charge Station pro has a full CCS connector on it. Ford decided to create a little flap on the Lightning that covers the DC pins of the CCS charging connector when you're only using AC charging. But now - to plug my car in at home, you have to manually open the charge door, then flip down that little "DC charging flap" to plug your connector in. Then, when you unplug, you have to remember to flip up that little flap before you close the charge door or you might damage the charge port door because it won't close.

If you're like me, you'll first forget to close the charge door. You'll get in the truck and see "charge door open", sigh heavily, and get out of the vehicle again. Then you'll try to close the charge door, but it won't - because, you guessed it, you forgot to close the DC charging flap before you tried to close the charging door and the flap was hanging down, preventing it from closing.

It's not difficult to rectify, but it's just annoying and it takes far more steps than it should.

@Ford Motor Company: in an EV, there are a few things you do EVERY SINGLE DAY, like plugging in. And those things need to be made frictionless. It's why Tesla didn't use the J1772 connector (so that it's easier to plug in and that people who have arthritis or lower motor skill function can use it more easily), and why they didn't stop at an auto-open port, adding auto-close capabilities to it. Your engineers need to shake the 100 year mindset and climb into a new mindset to remove this friction.

(No, I haven't developed the bravery to just remove the stupid flap quite yet.)

EDIT: I admit this is very much a "first world problem". But many times, it's the little things - the little frictions - that customers add together.
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what you're really saying is that the DC cover should have it's own 'spring back' built in, so that removing the charge handle allows it to close on it's own. Now, if it would just OPEN on it's own, tha'd be great too!
The reality is, do we really NEED a DC pin cover?? Unless there is weather getting into the charge port door while it is closed, it's unlikely.
 

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Imagine getting all worked up over opening/closing a door..

Seriously though, for 45yrs of my life I've managed to remember to open/close doors just fine. I'm not seeing a problem here, tbh. A step further..an electronic "door" is just one more thing to break...one more thing to freeze open/shut, one more thing to stop working when the battery 12v battery dies.

@Ford Motor Company you know what people want(esp truck buyers)..don't be a solution in search of a problem.. if we wanted a Tesla we'd buy a Tesla...
 

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The reality is, do we really NEED a DC pin cover?? Unless there is weather getting into the charge port door while it is closed, it's unlikely.
IIRC, on TMC there was a thread with M3 owners complaining that the DC pin isn't covered and rain and snow could get on it.

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Imagine getting all worked up over opening/closing a door..
It's not "worked up", but it is an annoyance. And when we have one manufacturer that has taken the friction out of something - well, they've proven it can be done. And removing every little bit of friction helps to make the masses see that EV's are better in many ways, especially when you're trying to drive adoption.

Imagine getting all worked up over having to go outside and pump your water from the well... Yeah, real "truck men" don't rely upon that electric pump thing, that's not for us! We want to do stuff by hand, take as many steps as it takes to prove that conveniences aren't for us!
 

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Imagine getting all worked up over opening/closing a door..

Seriously though, for 45yrs of my life I've managed to remember to open/close doors just fine. I'm not seeing a problem here, tbh. A step further..an electronic "door" is just one more thing to break...one more thing to freeze open/shut, one more thing to stop working when the battery 12v battery dies.

@Ford Motor Company you know what people want(esp truck buyers)..don't be a solution in search of a problem.. if we wanted a Tesla we'd buy a Tesla...
Imagine needing a button to open and close your tailgate or trunk lid?!
 
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what you're really saying is that the DC cover should have it's own 'spring back' built in, so that removing the charge handle allows it to close on it's own. Now, if it would just OPEN on it's own, tha'd be great too!
The reality is, do we really NEED a DC pin cover?? Unless there is weather getting into the charge port door while it is closed, it's unlikely.
A spring may make it even more annoying because you'll be fighting the spring trying to plug it in... I'm leaning toward just pulling that little cover off, it wasn't necessary on the other EV's I've owned, I think it's probably a reasonable solution here. Now to see if I can do it such that it's reversible in the future.
 

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Imagine needing a button to open and close your tailgate or trunk lid?!
And then imagine the horror of having the convenience of waving your foot under a vehicle to open the hatch when your hands are full!
 

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Here is my point of view.

I plan to keep my Lightning for 100k+ miles. I'm hoping between my wife's lease vehicles, and my truck, that this will be the last truck I buy before I retire in 12 years or so. I see the automatic charging door on the Rivian and Tesla vehicles as just another thing to break. I live in Michigan, so when the truck is covered in snow and ice and needs to charge, I don't want to worry about a little motor burning itself out because of too much resistance.

The vehicle is complicated enough. The less things to break, to me, is a plus.

Maybe if I lived in a warmer part of the country full time I would have a different point of view.
 

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And then imagine the horror of having the convenience of waving your foot under a vehicle to open the hatch when your hands are full!
We had that feature on a couple of Escapes and our current Edge. I hate it and there is no way to turn it off.
 

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It's not "worked up", but it is an annoyance. And when we have one manufacturer that has taken the friction out of something - well, they've proven it can be done. And removing every little bit of friction helps to make the masses see that EV's are better in many ways, especially when you're trying to drive adoption.

Imagine getting all worked up over having to go outside and pump your water from the well... Yeah, real "truck men" don't rely upon that electric pump thing, that's not for us! We want to do stuff by hand, take as many steps as it takes to prove that conveniences aren't for us!
I'm annoyed at your annoyance.

It shows that you really don't get it. Ford made the Lightning like a gas f150 for a reason. If we're gonna bring up EV adoption, many people who are on the fence about EVs don't want added complexity. They don't want to learn something new. They've bought f150 after f150 for YEARs and they don't want Ford changing things just for the sake of changing thing.

Your analogy is bunk. It takes what 1 sec to open and close the door. Its really not that much of chore.

Again Ford knows its customers.. it knows the changes customers want, not gimmicks to "wow" the Tesla crowd...

Convenience isn't the same as making something overly complex that doesn't need to be overly complex.
 

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Here is my point of view.

I plan to keep my Lightning for 100k+ miles. I'm hoping between my wife's lease vehicles, and my truck, that this will be the last truck I buy before I retire in 12 years or so. I see the automatic charging door on the Rivian and Tesla vehicles as just another thing to break. I live in Michigan, so when the truck is covered in snow and ice and needs to charge, I don't want to worry about a little motor burning itself out because of too much resistance.

The vehicle is complicated enough. The less things to break, to me, is a plus.

Maybe if I lived in a warmer part of the country full time I would have a different point of view.
This 100%. If it ain't broke..don't try to "fix it" until it does break
 

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And then imagine the horror of having the convenience of waving your foot under a vehicle to open the hatch when your hands are full!
That actually serves a purpose..the rear hatch is heavy and your hands may be full. I fail to see the logic in making a door automatic that weighs maybe 2lbs and takes little effort to open/close.
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