What wall outlet for FCSP ?

[Artificial Intelligence]

We are going thru a new home construction. I need to know what wall outlet is needed for Ford Charge Station Pro.

Currently I'm using mobile charging cord but I plan to get FCSP once we move. thx.

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[Ken]

It's hard wired to your electrical system, it doesn't go into an outlet. Ideally you want a 100 amp circuit breaker and the appropriate gauge of wire installed by a professional electrician. The specs and the install instructions are probably online, there were paper copies in the box that the charging station came in.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

got it.

so what do I tell the electrician... ? just have enough juice available and deal with it once I move.

Since I've SR i can use only 48 AMP max... do I still need to spare 100 AMP for it? As I understand you can operate it at lower AMPs.

 

[Maquis]

With an SR, you can tell him to run a 60A circuit to a junction box. The FCSP will then be hard-wired and dialed down to 48A.

If you think it’s even remotely possible that you might get an EV capable of charging at a higher rate, run a 100A circuit now. It will cost a lot more to upgrade it than to install it originally.

 

[Henry Ford]

A FCSP is overkill unless you think you might upgrade some day. That said, I'm charging on a 40 amp circuit because the previous owner of my house didn't consider ever needing more.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

With an SR, you can tell him to run a 60A circuit to a junction box. The FCSP will then be hard-wired and dialed down to 48A.

If you think it’s even remotely possible that you might get an EV capable of charging at a higher rate, run a 100A circuit now. It will cost a lot more to upgrade it than to install it originally.

never say never but SR fits my needs well. I don’t see myself getting an ER

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

A FCSP is overkill unless you think you might upgrade some day. That said, I'm charging on a 40 amp circuit because the previous owner of my house didn't consider ever needing more.

yes I get that. I’m exploring other chargers as well

 

[RickLightning]

yes I get that. I’m exploring other chargers as well

You'd be spending way, way too much money for that charger if you only need 48amps.

Consider a Juicebox 48 or ChargePoint Home Flex, and check with your utility company for rebates.

 

[Pioneer74]

There are better EVSE's out there than the FCSP. If you don't need the full 80a capacity, you are wasting your money and doing yourself a disservice by purchasing one.

An Emporia will give you your full charge rate on the SR truck and has better interface than the FordPass app. There are other options that are more expensive, like ChargePoint and Juicebox that are also well liked on this and the Mach-E forum.

 

[mr.Magoo]

I concur with what everyone is saying regarding the FCSP being overkill and others are a better choice (Chargepoint, wallbox, or - probably one of the better deals out there - the Tesla J1772 model)
The FCSP is MASSIVE, about twice the size compared to many other.

Many utility companies have incentives, mine for example ($500 check) requires the charger to be energy star certified - or - of the same brand as the vehicle and I believe the Chargepoint one is the only one mentioned in this thread that is Energy Star certified.

One thing worth noting about hardwire vs. plug is that a plug (if done correctly) requires a GFCI breaker, which is around $100 (give or take) more than a normal breaker, so hardwiring will be less expensive.

 

[Maquis]

I concur with what everyone is saying regarding the FCSP being overkill and others are a better choice (Chargepoint, wallbox, or - probably one of the better deals out there - the Tesla J1772 model)
The FCSP is MASSIVE, about twice the size compared to many other.

Many utility companies have incentives, mine for example ($500 check) requires the charger to be energy star certified - or - of the same brand as the vehicle and I believe the Chargepoint one is the only one mentioned in this thread that is Energy Star certified.

One thing worth noting about hardwire vs. plug is that a plug (if done correctly) requires a GFCI breaker, which is around $100 (give or take) more than a normal breaker, so hardwiring will be less expensive.

GFCI protection for receptacle outlets over 20A was first required in the 2017 code. There are a lot of areas in the US still on older versions. My state defaults to the 2008 code unless a different one is adopted locally.

 

[Tony Burgh]

I would not buy a FCSP unless I planned to install HIS. I use the FCSP as a dumb charger running 80 amps. I see no benefit of the limited interface capabilities of the unit.
Since Ford paid for my charger and installation I’m glad the breaker and wire are capable of 80 amps. Who knows what the future holds? But if it was my dime, 48 amps delivered is adequate and all that I would have installed.

 

[TaxmanHog]

FYI for OP and others reading this thread.... we have stickies under this node covering the topic

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/...rgers-battery-vehicle-to-vehicle-charging.84/

 

[Zprime29]

I agree with others. If I were in your shoes, I'd still ask for a 100 amp circuit to put your charger on. Future proof yourself now, even if you don't plan on it. I'd also plan on hard wiring what ever it is you end up choosing to use. Safer, more reliable. Maybe plan a secondary nema 14-50 outlet for back up and/or additional future proofing.

When we built our home back in 2016, I was considering going EV in the future and asked to have an additional outlet installed. Unfortunately I did not do my homework and added 120v outlets to the garage. I wish I knew then what I know now.

 

[Adventureboy]

I have 60 amp sub-panel in the garage installed some years ago and run a Grizzl-E Duo on a 50 amp circuit for my ER Lightning and my wife's ER Mach-E. It draws 40 amps when in full charge and for the most part is adequate unless we both come home empty on the same day. I wish I could have installed two individual chargers which would have required a 100A sub panel to split into two circuits but two EVs didn't enter my mind when I installed it 15 years ago. I concur however that you should run at least a 100 Amp line to the garage for EV charging if you have to run a line anyway. It will be a bit more expensive initially but opens the door for charging options as things change. If I were building new, I would run a 200 Amp service in the garage - 100 amp for FCSP and 50 amp for wife's Mach-e with some room to spare for other circuits. One never knows what the future will bring. As battery tech advances, the next-gen FCSP Lightning might be charging at 160Amps ;-)

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