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Did I read the fine print correctly? It says they "used computer simulations to estimate results"! If that's true, I can't accept the results as very useful. I would rather see real world data from owners that have real world experience - or from testers such as "Out of Spec Kyle". Sure, each individual result is not as scientific as we'd like because there are so many variables that can't be controlled. But over time, enough data points will give us a better idea of the real world capability of this phenomenal vehicle.
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It also says to use the recirculate feature to save energy during heating season. I wonder if they know it automatically reverts to bringing in ambient temperature air all by itself?

Their credibility is weakened! Highway coasting forever! :whistle:
I find that recirc stays put as long as I donā€™t use ā€œAutoā€. It does revert after shutoff/restart of the vehicle.
 

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I didn't see any mention of tire pressure. Under-inflated tires have a larger contact patch and more rolling resistance, right? What is the ideal tire pressure for the stock all season tires?
 

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I didn't see any mention of tire pressure. Under-inflated tires have a larger contact patch and more rolling resistance, right? What is the ideal tire pressure for the stock all season tires?
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I didn't see any mention of tire pressure. Under-inflated tires have a larger contact patch and more rolling resistance, right? What is the ideal tire pressure for the stock all season tires?
42 lbs. on my Lariat ER Max Tow with standard All Weather tires.
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I also didn't realize that warm weather would have an impact. All the early reviews seemed to focus on cold weather. I figured no big deal since it doesn't usually freeze here.
It sure does. I've been driving a Focus Electric for 5.5 years and it gets its best range when the temperature is around 20C (70F).

The interesting thing in hotter weather is that turning on the A/C for the cabin does not lower range all that much because the compressor is already running to cool the battery. It's worse during the initial cool-down but improves a bit once it is just maintaining the temperature. I'm basing this from observing how the guess-o-meter changes. Cooling ahead of time while plugged in let's it cool down without spending range.

Another thing that affects range are your tires. When replacing, make sure they are EV rated. Our all-season tires are EV rated, but our winter tires are not. The day we change over, we see about a 15-20 km change in range, which is about 10-15% for the FFE.

As for speed, the range is noticeably lower over 105-110 km/h (65-70 mph).

Regen occurs when coasting, and the FFE can be shifted to "low gear" at any speed for a more aggressive regen effort. My FFE has 134,000 km (about 87,000 miles) and it reports that almost 19,000 km (12,000 mi) are from regenerated energy.

I just had the front brakes pads and rotors done at 132,000 km, mainly because the rotors were pock marked - the pads still had at least 4 mm on them but we're wearing unevenly.

By comparison, we previously had an ICE Focus that needed all four brakes done at 65k and again at 128k.
 

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Probably the biggest thing is drive slower. Accelerate slowly and smoothly and then start coasting/Regen early so you're not engaging the friction brakes. Then stick to the speed limit or slightly under if the situation allows.
 

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ā€œā€¦drive slower... ā€¦ā€¦ speed limit or slightly under if the situation allowsā€¦.
This. It is why I averaged 4.1 Mi/KWh with my MME in the last 5000 miles (plus OTA updates). My 90 mile RT commute was perfectly smooth at highway speeds 51-53 mph and since Iā€™m on rural 2-lane early, no traffic issues. Using the my same principles my Lightning ER averages 2.4 M/KWh. Tires at 42 psi too.

53 mph is the rural two lane sweet spot and with $5 fuel common, Iā€™ve seen many 1/2, 3/4, 1 tons cruising at sub 55.
 

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as a long time Nissan LEAF 1st gen 70 mile range vehicle owner(2)... and now the LIGHTNING, with a LOT of miles, I can tell you from my experience that NO drive mode makes any 'long-term' major or noticeable difference in actual real-world mileage range impact.

So, when you consider regeneration, which is great, and we all love it, you also have to consider the impact that that regeneration causes: more power needed, because the motors are now 'slowing you down', which impacts momentum, roll, and how far you go before you need the 'GO' pedal again.
It's a wash.

yes, it's a wash.

Drive in the 'mode' that you like the best, and don't worry about the 'what ifs' about driving in another mode that somehow might 'magically' get you to your destination with less power than another mode.
COASTING may be the best option, but we really don't have a 'coasting' option, since the truck will always be regenerating to some degree, even if we can't feel it. Putting the truck in Neutral might also be an option, but most will never go to this degree...

If you Coast, in Neutral, down a 1 mile hill, which is a 5% grade, your truck will have used basically NO power, and you have picked up 1 mile of 'free' range.
When you get to the bottom and now have to go UP the other side of a 1 mile hill, which is also the same 5% grade, your truck will have to use a LOT of power, especially if you want to MAINTAIN your speed.

In the same scenario, if you use 'SPORT' mode, with a built-in high degree of regeneration, and you then 'coast' with Sport mode down the whole 1 mile 5% grade hill, you might pick up some good power, but, at a cost: slowing.
When you've reached the bottom of the hill, you are now slowed to the point that you will need MORE power to get 'back' to speed, and maintain that speed back up the other side.
You've basically 'washed' the amount of regeneration you 'earned' coming down the hill.

One pedal driving mode is nothing more than allowing your truck to Automatically apply the physical brakes - and since 'Normal' drive mode is less regeration than Sport mode, you are asking the physical brakes to do MORE work, which not only wears more on the brakes, themselves, but also robs you of some of the potential 'free' regeneration that comes from not needing to use the brakes. Yes, the motors will respond with more heavy regeneration when applying the brakes, but the physical brakes helping to bring the truck to a slower speed is basically 'robbing' the motors of regeneration that they could do on their own - at least, that's MY take on it.

I use SPORT mode almost 100% of my driving time - whether the truck by itself, or towing our camper - I don't see the need to change anything, and I LIKE that the truck 'slows' very easily and quickly by itself, when I come off the pedal. If I don't need it to slow as quickly, I just apply a small amount of pedal. I rarely ever use my physical brakes.
I have used 'Normal' mode on rare occasions, just to 'see' if the more 'coasting' effect could provide some type of increased range, but it rarely gives me any indication, over the long-miles, that it is any real difference from just keeping the truck in Sport mode, especially when in cruise.

I think that no matter the argument, when it comes to 'regeneration' levels, drive modes, and even driving 'styles', there are SO MANY things that the real-world sends us that can impact driving range: wind, whether coming at you/against you, or coming from behind you, water on the road/rain, etc., outside temperature, inside temperature/comfort needs, weight of driver and passenger(s) and goods within the truck, tire pressure, tire size, tire type, terrain, other traffic, speed, etc...
There is no 'virtual' or 'computer driven' testing that can give you real-world everyday driving range 'numbers'... they are really only 'guesses', to help us manage our range expectations for long-range travel.
 

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All fair points. Could be wrong.

The argument is essentially that one-pedal driving involves energy losses both when decelerating and accelerating. So it's better to allow the car to continue coasting after the driver removes their foot from the accelerator pedal, and add regenerative braking only when it's actually time to decelerate.

I have read it is about a 15% energy loss between coasting v. regen. But most people brake too much, so they don't get the full benefits of coasting. That is why it probably comes down to how you drive. It can also be annoying to other drivers if you are trying to coast everywhere.
I wished that the lightning actually coasted like other vehicles, it still applies a small amount of regen when you let go of the gas pedal in normal driving mode. Or Ford should give that as an additional mode option to choose from.

Talk about those drivers who need to have theor foot on either the brake or gas pedal at all times, lol. I have driven in my friends cars who accelerate all the way till they need to brake and vice versa in their gas cars, no coasting even when they are getting to a red light. Had to change their brake pads at 20k miles or less at times. I have stopped caring about such drivers, they can pass me and waste all the energy they want while I get 35 mpg+ in my non hybrid sedan.
 

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In the early 70ā€™ a college friend drove a Saab Sonnet (V4 Ford power as I recall). It had a ā€œcoastingā€œ lever on the steering column that you could flick and itā€™d electrically disengaged a driveline clutch. Heā€™d regularly get over 40+ mpg coasting down hills and particularly on the hilly reaches of PCH 1 and US 101.
 

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It also says to use the recirculate feature to save energy during heating season. I wonder if they know it automatically reverts to bringing in ambient temperature air all by itself?

Their credibility is weakened! Highway coasting forever! :whistle:
100% this.... boggles the mind why it would turn off re-circulate when keeping cold air cold is far better than cooling off hot air.

I also strongly dislike that if I turn the temperature up on the AC, it will actually turned the heat on instead of just letting the car cool I wish there was a lockout button for the heat which is the biggest battery drain there is
 

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I wish there was a lockout button for the heat which is the biggest battery drain there is
If "E-Heat" is turned off, does that stop Watts being used for heat? Ford info says e-heat is only source of heat!
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If "E-Heat" is turned off, does that stop Watts being used for heat? Ford info says e-heat is only source of heat!
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Yes, that is the only source of heat. If that is turned off, there is not heat and electrical usage.
 

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as a long time Nissan LEAF 1st gen 70 mile range vehicle owner(2)... and now the LIGHTNING, with a LOT of miles, I can tell you from my experience that NO drive mode makes any 'long-term' major or noticeable difference in actual real-world mileage range impact..

One pedal driving mode is nothing more than allowing your truck to Automatically apply the physical brakes.
Many very good points, but the above comment is completely inaccurate. One pedal driving Does Not apply or engage physical friction brakes, as part of the slowing process. Not until the vehicle has completely stopped, the friction brakes may be applied to ā€œholdā€ the vehicle stationary.
Normal mode and Sport mode differ only in throttle response, the amount of acceleration or regen, for a given throttle position. Pick what ā€œfeelsā€ or responds best to your liking. One is not more efficient than the other, generally. But how one uses them is, and where the efficiency edge of one vs. the other comes from.
For instance, If A downhill grade is so steep than max Normal regen still allows unwanted speed gain, (causing use of friction brakes) then Sport regen would have been ā€œmore efficientā€ at controlling unwanted speed by its stronger regen capacity, (ie. further delaying, or eliminating, the use of friction brakes. (Which are always wasting kinetic energy, despite being necessary, lol)

Regen is an awesome feature, but its ONLY value, and efficiency, is in managing NECESSARY speed reduction.
Regen, for the sake of Regen-ing, is a total waste.
ie, accelerating just from the sake of regen is a total waste of energy.
But in the real world there comes times, all the time, when slowing and stopping are necessary. And thatā€™s when regen is ā€œmagicalā€.
It allows the recapture of energy, back to the battery that otherwise would have been lost to Friction braking.
But minimizing the times when regen is even necessary, is more efficient than regen-ing itself. ie. minimize acceleration and speed to begin with.
In the perfect world, regen would not be necessary at all, we would simply accelerate to the halfway point of our trip and coast down the rest to a stop at our destination.
But it ainā€™t a perfect world, we have to stop, and regen is the best way, only when itā€™s necessary.



I wished that the lightning actually coasted like other vehicles, it still applies a small amount of regen when you let go of the gas pedal in normal driving mode. Or Ford should give that as an additionalā€¦..
They Did !! Itā€™s One Pedal Driving and the Power Gauge.
One pedal driving allows us to completely control the flow of power to and from the motors, very precisely, with the throttle position.
Position the throttle where the Power guage is at the 0 energy state and you are truly 0 energy coasting. Every EV driver should be using One pedal driving, and consciously controlling their 0 energy state at the crest of every hill and peak of every period of acceleration. If youā€™re not referencing the power guage in all aspects of driving, youā€™re wasting energy. Yeah itā€™s a whole new way of thinking about driving, and more attention and effort than some people want to do, but big gains in efficiency are in how you drive the EV.
No other type of vehicle allows this level of energy control, so we should learn to exploit it.
And thatā€˜s what makes these vehicles so much fun for our geek side!
Btw, disabling one pedal driving is inefficient because it forces you to use the brake pedal sooner and more often, resulting in the more frequent use of those wasteful friction brakes !
Ideally, Friction brakes should only be used in panic/semi panic stops, and we should be driving in a way that strives for that.
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