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Is there a truck culture gap for the Lightning vs the ICE F-150s?

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How about heated seats? Still don't feel comfortable for 10F?
Heated seats are weak compared to heated seats of other vehicles. Our new Bronco will warm your ass to the point to turning them down a notch after maybe 10 minutes. I can barely feel the heated seats in the Mach E after my long commute to work at 10F. They worked, but it is obvious they are not as powerful as the average vehicle, probably to save energy.
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Heated seats are weak compared to heated seats of other vehicles. Our new Bronco will warm your ass to the point to turning them down a notch after maybe 10 minutes. I can barely feel the heated seats in the Mach E after my long commute to work at 10F. They worked, but it is obvious they are not as powerful as the average vehicle, probably to save energy.
hmm. that's not what I expected. But luckily it would be enough for central value in California, we hardly have sub 32F days, if so, that's only in early morning.

Yes I remember I rent a Ford SUV when I had a trip to Albany, it has 5 level of heat for the seats and I cannot turn on level5 heating for more than 10 min, and that was during a heavy snow storm.
 

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I've struggled to even get my Mach E to warm the cabin above 50F when it gets down to significantly below freezing. Like at 10F the heater is insufficient for warming the cabin at all. Literally shivering on my way to work, and I drive for 50 minutes so it isnt a time thing. Luckily that is like 10 or less days of the year, but it happened often enough to be worrying. Hoping the Lighting doesnt have that issue.
You might have an issue with yours. We had no issues getting enough heat this winter in ours - even down to -10F
 

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You might have an issue with yours. We had no issues getting enough heat this winter in ours - even down to -10F
I dont intend to own it through another winter, so its not an issue worth solving for me.
 

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I hear this too. They’re up to 1000 km now. This is one of the moving goalposts. First they wanted 200 miles of range. Then we got that. Then they wanted 400 miles, okay we’re getting there too. Now it’s 600 miles….

I think a lot of pickup trucks are bought based on what people think they need or they want to project, rather than what they actually need.
For me, I looked at interstate travel from Washington, DC when deciding on the extended range truck. Assuming it is winter (and thus reduced range due to cold weather) I want to be able to get to and from Richmond without recharging and at least to NYC area on a single charge. As bad as I-95 traffic is on weekends between DC and Richmond and up in Maryland through Delaware, I do not want to have to stop if at all possible since there are plenty of congestion delays.
 
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There are definitely people who could genuinely use 600 miles of range. But I’m sure once EVs get there, a subset of the population will be saying they’ll get an EV just as soon as they have 800 miles of range….
 
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There are definitely people who could genuinely use 600 miles of range. But I’m sure once EVs get there, a subset of the population will be saying they’ll get an EV just as soon as they have 800 miles of range….
I think the thing that is really needed more than the total range, is the total charging time, which equates to battery voltage. Looking at something like the Hundai Ioniq 5 or the Porsche Taycan with their 800v battery systems, they charge extremely fast. The Ioniq 5 can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 18 minutes.

I would expect to see the total voltage creep up and up over time as this gives you faster and faster charging.
 

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I think the thing that is really needed more than the total range, is the total charging time, which equates to battery voltage. Looking at something like the Hundai Ioniq 5 or the Porsche Taycan with their 800v battery systems, they charge extremely fast. The Ioniq 5 can charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in just 18 minutes.

I would expect to see the total voltage creep up and up over time as this gives you faster and faster charging.
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Extra range will matter more if the number of highway chargers doesn't keep pace with the number of EVs. Right now I believe it is "acceptable" but chargers are still pretty sparse in parts of the country, and with only 2-4 stations per stop, lines may form to charge in travel corridors with a lot of EVs. CA is already seeing this even at prolific Tesla superchargers during travel around Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I'm still hedging my bets with the ER truck as there are also parts of the country that have very few charging stations.
 
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Extra range will matter more if the number of highway chargers doesn't keep pace with the number of EVs. Right now I believe it is "acceptable" but chargers are still pretty sparse in parts of the country, and with only 2-4 stations per stop, lines may form to charge in travel corridors with a lot of EVs. CA is already seeing this even at prolific Tesla superchargers during travel around Thanksgiving and Christmas.

I'm still hedging my bets with the ER truck as there are also parts of the country that have very few charging stations.
Stations are rare now, but so much more common than they were a few years ago. I think that higher voltage will be easier to achieve with current technology and costs than greater range.

I expect range will come in time, but not for many years.

When driving through the southwestern deserts, I have seen countless abandoned service stations for cars along the remote highways. They were probably used quite a lot in the 1950s, up to the 1980s. I expect most of them went dark in the 1990s. It took time for ICE vehicles to have greater range - and become more reliable. Before that, there were gas stations all over.

I expect we will see a similar adoption for EV chargers as for the gas stations; until range catches up.
 

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Higher voltage is just a matter of pack reconfiguration and using HV components that work with 800v. The individual cells don't need to do anything special since they are oblivious to how they're wired together to construct the pack. I'm not sure why Ford opted for 400v other than the inertia of the MME platform already being 400v.

Tesla seems to be convinced that 400 miles of range is about all anyone needs. Lucid has pushed the envelope to over 500. We'll see what direction others go. On one level I agree with Tesla, at least for passenger vehicles. When batteries improve, you can use fewer cells for the same capacity, reduce weight and cost, and improve drive efficiency even more which compounds the reduction in battery. I've had 240-250 miles of range for the past 2 1/2 years and it has been fine on the supercharger network, even in the winter without a heat pump. Seeing the lack of "coming soon" 3rd party stations, however, is very discouraging. It seems like now that the dieselgate money that fueled EA's expansion has run out, their growth has petered out as well. There are 76 coming soon CCS stations but 50 of them are just in CA and NY.
 

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The ICE group doesn't 'get it', When I finally get my Lightning, it will be my first BEV, but I'm coming to the BEV side after having three priuses, two C-Max (one Energi, one Hybrid) and currently driving a Volt.
 
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The ICE group doesn't 'get it', When I finally get my Lightning, it will be my first BEV, but I'm coming to the BEV side after having three priuses, two C-Max (one Energi, one Hybrid) and currently driving a Volt.

I think it kind of goes right back to the reason for the forum split. The culture between ICE trucks and BEV users is a pretty wide gulf. Having said that, a lot of the ICE people will switch over once the Lightning becomes common and is just better for most (not all!) use cases.
 

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I think it kind of goes right back to the reason for the forum split. The culture between ICE trucks and BEV users is a pretty wide gulf. Having said that, a lot of the ICE people will switch over once the Lightning becomes common and is just better for most (not all!) use cases.
I was not for the forum split, but you make a good point. Also I realized the other day it is likely very good because those guys are kind of getting screwed by Ford, chip holds, can't get the upgraded seats in the Platinum and even having auto park, etc. removed.

Over here, to date we are getting very special treatment by Ford. I don't care which side of this fence you are on EV or ICE, it's hard to see any fairness, but for the most part at least the other forum doesn't now see it on a daily basis if they aren't over here watching.
 

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SR won't make 140 miles during winter. Even ER could be a little stretch if you use AC to heat up. That's why 2nd row heated seats is important, especially without heat pump in 1st gen Lightning.

And for 20F or below, even heat pump is not enough.
In most cases the SR won't have a problem going over 140 miles in the winter. It might struggle to get there on those few days a year when it's 0 degrees out but there aren't many places in the US where that's a normal occurrence. If you need to drive a longer distance in cold weather, pre-heat while plugged in and use low heat settings. Every vehicle is different so I can't say exactly what the Lightning will do but when I've needed to go longer distance in my Bolt when it's very cold out, and I prepared properly, I've never seen more than 25% reduction from EPA range. If you don't prepare and you blast the heat in the cabin then, yeah, you might only get 140 miles but probably not much less than that.

It's not even a question for the ER, it will go way more than 140 miles even without preparing or being careful about the heat settings.
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