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[WFordKid]

Do you think that buyers of Ford Co-Pilot360™ Assist 2.0 will get to upgrade or enroll in BlueCruise. What else is needed hardware wise?

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[Orlando150]

Believe what you want. I have beta FSD in my Tesla. I can leave get in my car in the driveway in Boynton Beach, put in an address, and the car will drive there with no driver involvement, 90% of the time. Today we went to the Loxahatchee National Wildlife Refuge, about 18 miles away. The car left our driveway, chose a route without my involvement, made two left turn at traffic signals across huge traffic, stopped for an open ICW drawbridge correctly, made several more turns, navigated a two-lane road with no painted lines, stopped at an at-grade railroad crossing that was closed for a commuter train, waited correctly and then restarted when the train had passed and the gate raised, passed three bicyclists riding in the lane, which required waiting for incoming traffic and crossing a double line to prove the legal three feet clearance, navigated multiple roundabouts with no driver input, dealt correctly with landscaper trucks parked halfway in its lane, and made it all the way to the entry booth at the park. At that point it cancelled, gave up and demanded that the driver take control because it did not know what to do.

A lot of what I am seeing in FSD, which my car received on December 27 after passing a driver safety test, is edge case stuff that I thought would be impossible for the self-driving AI to solve - especially actions like passibling multiple bicycles with oncoming traffic - because I assumed that "violating" double yellow line rules, which is legal when passing a bicycle, would be too tough to evaluate and execute, especially when having to decide on relative closing distances with multiple moving targets on both sides of the road - but my car has been doing these things flawlessly. It also makes a some mistakes and cannot do some basic things like U-turns. But, damn, 90% of the tme, it really truly does get from point A to Point B and parks itself at destination, with all of the complexities of Florida driving in the Delray Beach area, living on the ICW and having to deal with drawbridges, at-grade train crossings, bike lanes and on-street bicyclists, passing I-95 ramps, and high traffic levels every time we go out to even the local Walmart.

In November I was one of the folks saying I don't think self-driving cars will be here in the next decade. Now that my Model X is literally doing most of the driving in EVERy situation on every type of road and even in parking lots and neighborhoods with no painted lines, with me as a very alert passenger, I'm not so sure. I do still say that my particular car will never drive without a driver in the seat, in denial of Elon's assertion just last week that it will be able to robo-taxi by the end of this year. I still think it is a long way away from solving some basic navigation problems, like out-of-date google maps, so it cannot actually find my house when returning home, but in terms of driving down the road on its own - it does it every day and for almost all of my driving - it sees things better and way more consistently than a human can, and gets better a couple times per week with OTA downloads. Until you've seen it in action, don't judge, because it is truly amazing (and admittedly, occasionally truly scary). BlueCruise, based on the initial videos, is very rudimentary by comparison (and by design). It is ALMOST up to the level of the Tesla AP (autopilot) functionality that I had in my 2014 P85D, eight years later. Tesla's current FSD is light years ahead of that.

As I mentioned before it's not about the ability to navigate from your home to your destination, change lanes or pass a bike. Tesla, Ford, GM, et al. are not autonomous driving and only Level 2 because you can't stop watching it like a hawk. It's level 2 because you must be ready to take over instantly in case it does this:

https://www.wral.com/dashcam-tesla-...es-deputy-aside-as-car-careens-past/20124987/

Or this:

https://electrek.co/2022/02/04/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-crash-video/

Or these:



And if you don't stop it in time, you might end up charged with murder: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073857310/tesla-autopilot-crash-charges

 

[Deleted member 9341]

Believe what you want. I have beta FSD in my Tesla. I can leave get in my car in the driveway in Boynton Beach, put in an address, and the car will drive there with no driver involvement, 90% of the time. Today we went to the Loxahatchee National Wildlife Refuge, about 18 miles away. The car left our driveway, chose a route without my involvement, made two left turn at traffic signals across huge traffic, stopped for an open ICW drawbridge correctly, made several more turns, navigated a two-lane road with no painted lines, stopped at an at-grade railroad crossing that was closed for a commuter train, waited correctly and then restarted when the train had passed and the gate raised, passed three bicyclists riding in the lane, which required waiting for incoming traffic and crossing a double line to prove the legal three feet clearance, navigated multiple roundabouts with no driver input, dealt correctly with landscaper trucks parked halfway in its lane, and made it all the way to the entry booth at the park. At that point it cancelled, gave up and demanded that the driver take control because it did not know what to do.

A lot of what I am seeing in FSD, which my car received on December 27 after passing a driver safety test, is edge case stuff that I thought would be impossible for the self-driving AI to solve - especially actions like passibling multiple bicycles with oncoming traffic - because I assumed that "violating" double yellow line rules, which is legal when passing a bicycle, would be too tough to evaluate and execute, especially when having to decide on relative closing distances with multiple moving targets on both sides of the road - but my car has been doing these things flawlessly. It also makes a some mistakes and cannot do some basic things like U-turns. But, damn, 90% of the tme, it really truly does get from point A to Point B and parks itself at destination, with all of the complexities of Florida driving in the Delray Beach area, living on the ICW and having to deal with drawbridges, at-grade train crossings, bike lanes and on-street bicyclists, passing I-95 ramps, and high traffic levels every time we go out to even the local Walmart.

In November I was one of the folks saying I don't think self-driving cars will be here in the next decade. Now that my Model X is literally doing most of the driving in EVERy situation on every type of road and even in parking lots and neighborhoods with no painted lines, with me as a very alert passenger, I'm not so sure. I do still say that my particular car will never drive without a driver in the seat, in denial of Elon's assertion just last week that it will be able to robo-taxi by the end of this year. I still think it is a long way away from solving some basic navigation problems, like out-of-date google maps, so it cannot actually find my house when returning home, but in terms of driving down the road on its own - it does it every day and for almost all of my driving - it sees things better and way more consistently than a human can, and gets better a couple times per week with OTA downloads. Until you've seen it in action, don't judge, because it is truly amazing (and admittedly, occasionally truly scary). BlueCruise, based on the initial videos, is very rudimentary by comparison (and by design). It is ALMOST up to the level of the Tesla AP (autopilot) functionality that I had in my 2014 P85D, eight years later. Tesla's current FSD is light years ahead of that.

Aside from the novelty and entertainment value of it, do you still prefer driving yourself vs letting the car drive? Mostly I don’t see the point of it if you have to pay full attention anyway…at least at this time. Just curious what your preference is on a daily basis.

 

[Bo15]

tick tick tick 35 days until end of Q1

 

[Jesse-Infotainment]

Do you think that buyers of Ford Co-Pilot360™ Assist 2.0 will get to upgrade or enroll in BlueCruise. What else is needed hardware wise?

No, there is an additional module. You can tell the vehicles that are blur cruise capable witht he Screen in the dash. If the buttons above the screen are all close together and have a black plexi around them and the driver pillar has a window with black plexi then those have the blue cruise capability. Those locations have cameras and IR for the monitoring of the driver. As far as I am aware I have only seen lariat and above have the capability.

 

[laujoyjoy]

tick tick tick 35 days until end of Q1

Well, I did get power up 2.3 update this week on my Job 1 truck. It looks like they are heading the right direction.

 

[Bo15]

Well, I did get power up 2.3 update this week on my Job 1 truck. It looks like they are heading the right direction.

I got 2.3 about a month ago. I hope so.

 

[AutonomousHybridF150]

As I mentioned before it's not about the ability to navigate from your home to your destination, change lanes or pass a bike. Tesla, Ford, GM, et al. are not autonomous driving and only Level 2 because you can't stop watching it like a hawk. It's level 2 because you must be ready to take over instantly in case it does this:

https://www.wral.com/dashcam-tesla-...es-deputy-aside-as-car-careens-past/20124987/

Or this:

https://electrek.co/2022/02/04/tesla-full-self-driving-beta-crash-video/

Or these:



And if you don't stop it in time, you might end up charged with murder: https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073857310/tesla-autopilot-crash-charges

Maybe the cop needs to learn how to move off the highway when pulling over on the side of the road. Why is it that Tesla gets blamed when the officer’s unit was clearly in the roadway. The cop’s car didn’t have an overhead light bar to boot, so they should re-think their emergency lighting.

I’ve been driving, on my own, and almost had collisions with untrained police officers that blindly stop their cruisers in a 75 MPH zone to mess with some young teenagers that were speeding.

In my case, the cop was blocking the fast lane half way, with very few rear flashers on, and almost resulted in the same crash result as the Tesla video. Again, with me driving and no “Lane Centering”, “autopilot”, or “FSD”, a collision with a police unit almost occurred because the cowboy sherif wanted to mess with some kids speeding during rush hour Dallas traffic.

At what point are Police held accountable for the accidents that they cause due to being on their continual power trip.

Funny how years ago my friend made a legal u-turn in front of a different sherif unit. After completing the u-turn, Said Sherif unit was speeding so fast it impacted my friend “directly in the rear bumper” totaling both vehicles. But yet in the end the Sherif unit wrote my friend a reckless operation citation.

From what I’ve learned over my life it appears the Cops causing traffic accidents due to their negligence nearly always figure a way to weasel out of dealing with what they cause.

 

[ghanvass]

Maybe the cop needs to learn how to move off the highway when pulling over on the side of the road. Why is it that Tesla gets blamed when the officer’s unit was clearly in the roadway. The cop’s car didn’t have an overhead light bar to boot, so they should re-think their emergency lighting.

I’ve been driving, on my own, and almost had collisions with untrained police officers that blindly stop their cruisers in a 75 MPH zone to mess with some young teenagers that were speeding.

In my case, the cop was blocking the fast lane half way, with very few rear flashers on, and almost resulted in the same crash result as the Tesla video. Again, with me driving and no “Lane Centering”, “autopilot”, or “FSD”, a collision with a police unit almost occurred because the cowboy sherif wanted to mess with some kids speeding during rush hour Dallas traffic.

At what point are Police held accountable for the accidents that they cause due to being on their continual power trip.

Funny how years ago my friend made a legal u-turn in front of a different sherif unit. After completing the u-turn, Said Sherif unit was speeding so fast it impacted my friend “directly in the rear bumper” totaling both vehicles. But yet in the end the Sherif unit wrote my friend a reckless operation citation.

From what I’ve learned over my life it appears the Cops causing traffic accidents due to their negligence nearly always figure a way to weasel out of dealing with what they cause.

Haha this is great. 1. To answer your question, Tesla gets blamed because the Tesla hit a vehicle. Doesn't matter what kind of vehicle it was or where it was stopped. AP software should not allow for a collision under any circumstance. Overhead lights aren't required in every state. Besides, it was dark out in the Tesla video. Anyone paying attention would have seen the deck lights on that patrol car. The driver even admitted to taking his eyes off the road. Chances are the Tesla AP cameras were blinded by the lights which contributed to the crash but that's why an investigation needs to happen. 2. As the driver of a vehicle just passing by, how do you know why the Sheriff's unit stopped the kids? Assumption? 3. You provide no basis for labeling the cops as "untrained". Assumption? Clearly you just don't like that they were there. 4. Since you and your friends seem to have issues with LE why not just get a dash cam. Then you can take your own evidence to court - unless of course your evidence just proves that you're an untrained driver that gets cited for legitimate reasons. See how assumptions work? Nobody likes them.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Aside from the novelty and entertainment value of it, do you still prefer driving yourself vs letting the car drive? Mostly I don’t see the point of it if you have to pay full attention anyway…at least at this time. Just curious what your preference is on a daily basis.

FSD is a toy, and admittedly, a dangerous one at that in street-level driving. My wife refuses to use it and prefers that I not activate FSD when she's a passenger. But it is truly amazing to see in action. Like much of the advanced Tesla features, a party trick. I do use it on almost every drive, and on trips, FSD is great - it really does self-drive without any drama or intervention on highways.

 

[laujoyjoy]

FSD is a toy, and admittedly, a dangerous one at that in street-level driving. My wife refuses to use it and prefers that I not activate FSD when she's a passenger. But it is truly amazing to see in action. Like much of the advanced Tesla features, a party trick. I do use it on almost every drive, and on trips, FSD is great - it really does self-drive without any drama or intervention on highways.

Blue cruise is not bad either. I have it on my Mach E and I use it all the time on highway. I used it as a driving "tool" or "aid" and I would not trust it to react like a human being.

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