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22 day trip. SE Michigan to California and back. 5,336 miles across 11 days of driving. To those who say you can't take an EV on a trip, you're so, so wrong. To those who say it adds a tremendous amount of time - it adds time, yes, roughly 20% overhead. How long can you go without a bathroom break anyway? To those who say it costs more than driving a gas vehicle, you're simply wrong (see below). And, make sure you take into account the feasibility of taking less time. We drove 3 days to Colorado, about 1,300 miles. If I drive that in 2 days, I'm not going skiing the next morning at 8AM...

We did NOT have a Tesla DC adapter, used EA, ChargePoint, Shell, and no names. Trip was planned using ABRP (desktop), free edition, and checking locations with PlugShare. Enroute we used Ford Navigation to go to each charger (a lot of good that did, no preconditioning), ABRP, GoogleMaps, PlugShare, EA's app, ... I planned on driving 65, and adjusted the efficiency in ABRP to 2.0 at 65mph.

BlueCruise performed well despite never being updated since 2022... Sign recognition, specifically exit sign recognition via the database (not visual) was so bad I had to turn the feature off (never had to do this on my Mach-E).

Charging experience was overall much better than our past trips. Biggest annoyance was in California, where I had to go to FOUR locations to get an available charger. Nearly everyone charging at these locations were LOCALS, and most had no clue. At several EA locations I switched chargers because I was unhappy with the speed - but it was still fast, just not what it should be (unlike past experiences where chargers were running at ridiculously slow speeds).

For my trips, I like to note the amount of FREE CHARGING that I got as a percentage of the total. Total kWh usage was 3,260kWh. Of that, 943 or 29% was FREE (includes my remaining 65kWh balance). We spent $623.21 on charging, all EA charging was with the Pass+ 25% discount. Dividing by our miles driven, that's a cost of 11.7 cents per mile. To be fair, I need to add back my refill at home ($18.80), so 12 cents per mile. If I put in charging at my son's house on 120v, assuming 20 cents per kWh, that's another $18, so $660.27 total, or 12.4 cents per mile. Assuming $3.15 gas, and 18 miles per gallon on my 2013 F-150, that would be $933.80. So, cheaper to drive an EV... :unsure: o_O:p

Double checking my math, 3,260kWh over 5,336 miles is 1.64 efficiency. Trip odometer says 1.8 (and we know they round). Pretty close, some of my numbers are from FordPass, some are from a charging app and some of those show the gross, not the net (truck trip odometer is net of course).

For those that continue to proclaim that charging cost by the minute is unfair, I'll take it every day. 21 minutes for $6.53 to get 47.569kW. That's a rate of 2.27 per minute, or 13.7 cents per kilowatt, cheaper than home at 15.5 cents. How about 105.481kWh for $10.68, or 10.1 cents per kWh? EA charges by the minute in NE and WY on this trip.

Despite trying every way I could, preconditioning on the way to a DC fast charger is NON-FUNCTIONAL in my truck. I believe it was disabled by a Ford OTA update.
Unlike our last long trip (Mach-E) where the HVBJB failed and we fast charged for the rest of the trip at 42kW (wasted 14+ hours), the only problem on this trip was a near-flat. Happened to page over the Tire Pressure page, and saw one tire at 33, soon 31, ... Hit a air hose, then America's Tire (@Discount Tire on the west coast). Big shout out to Josh for professional patching (not plugging) the tire and getting us back on the road in under an hour.

Heading through Donner Pass right after the big storm (no, the other big storm), you can see the depth of the snow as compared the the size of the truck. On the way back (4 days later), we got a picture of the entrance to a rest area (closed, over the vehicle's height). You can see the top of the building's roof in the picture.

Stopped at Bonneville Salt Flats on way home. I hit a top speed of, well, nothing, since they were under water... I hit 91 on the exit road on way out, does that count? Picture below.

Our average efficiency on the trip was 1.8 miles per kilowatt hour. We did 65 on the way out for a while, then upped to 70 because it was warmer than I had planned. In the west where the speed limit was 75 or 80, I did 75. On the way home I did 73 in 70mph zones. We had frunk and bed full of stuff, hundreds of pounds. This includes climbing mountains, i.e. passes from Denver to Keystone, and up to Park City from Salt Lake City.

As we all know, when cold the battery has less energy. Specifically, at 100% it's not 131kWh, it's depending on temperature less. At various times it measured 124.08, 127.36, 121, even lower ... And my SOH is 100%. So plan your trip at like 122, not 131.

All in all, a good trip. Glad to finally put some miles on the Lightning.

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3 days from SE Michigan to Keystone, CO. Stayed for 4 days. 3 at Keystone, 1 at Breckenridge.

Day 1- 3 stops to charge, then 115.8kWh free juice from a charger next to the hotel.
Day 2 - 3 stops to charge, then $4 flat rate for 86.1kWh.
Day 3 - 3 stops to charge, then charged at lodging over 3 days, 35 cents per kWh.

1 day from Keystone, CO to Salt Lake City. Stayed for 4 days. Skied 3 days at Park City.

Day 8 - 2 stops to charge, then free at hotel for stay.

1 day from Salt Lake City to Reno, NV. Stayed overnight.

Day 13 - 4 stops to charge. As we passed a Ford dealer, I saw they had the DC fast chargers, so I drove in. Big heavy cord, and slow FREE charging for DC (116 max after a while, as compared to EA. Sales Manager came out towards the end, said they hadn't figured out how to enable the payment, so no problem I was getting a free charge (76.5kW). He said they sold their 2 Lightnings to retirees, but can't sell the Mach-Es they have. He was quite negative on EVs, shocked we had driven 4 days so far and knew he was full of it...

Charged that night for free at hotel.

1 day from Reno, NV to just east of San Francisco. Stayed for 4 days. Visited family.

Day 14 - 1 stop to charge. Then charged at my son's over a few days, plus a quick hit at EA (we used the truck every day).

5 days from east of San Francisco to SE Michigan.

Day 18 - 3 stops to charge, then free charging at hotel.

Day 19 - 3 stops to charge, then charged after dinner at EA.

Day 20 - 3 stops to charge, then charged in the morning at EA before leaving.

Day 21 - 3 stops to charge, then free near hotel.

Day 22 - 3 stops to charge, then home.

Ford F-150 Lightning Trip from SE Michigan to California, and back Bonneville Salt Flats


Ford F-150 Lightning Trip from SE Michigan to California, and back flat tire


Ford F-150 Lightning Trip from SE Michigan to California, and back Donner Pass


Ford F-150 Lightning Trip from SE Michigan to California, and back Donner Pass rest area
 

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thanks for posting. Be a while before we take a big trip. The tesla adaptor is a game changer, OF COURSE!
 
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thanks for posting. Be a while before we take a big trip. The tesla adaptor is a game changer, OF COURSE!
On this trip, it would have had little use. Many parts of the country don't have many Tesla SuperChargers. At one stop, we had a bank of them at the hotel. V2 though, of no use.
 

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Nearly everyone charging at these locations were LOCALS, and most had no clue.
DCFCs in urban areas are like laundromats: the people who use them lack the basic appliances at their homes. As the DCFC networks expand (at taxpayer expense) the question of priorities remains: are DCFC primarily to enable long-distance EV driving, or to provide facilities for locals in place of home charging? “Both,” is the simple answer, but which application gets the first tranch of development money? Should Federal funds be only used to support interstate EV travel, and leave it to states and municipalities to incentivize DCFC for local drivers?
 

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Enroute we used Ford Navigation to go to each charger (a lot of good that did, no preconditioning), ABRP, GoogleMaps
So Ford Nav was your primary on-screen nav app? I know you planned with ABRP, did you try using ABRP for navigation? Curious, thanks.
 

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So Ford Nav was your primary on-screen nav app? I know you planned with ABRP, did you try using ABRP for navigation? Curious, thanks.
No. We navigated from charging stop to charging stop with Ford Navigation, putting in the specific charger we'd identified from ABRP. ABRP is our primary route planner. Ford Navigation is awful.

For example, if you're at one location, and going to a charger 150 miles away, you say "Navigate to Electrify America in Grand Island, Nebraska". Good luck, it shows all the EAs nearby. You MIGHT get it to navigate to Walmart in Grand Island, Nebraska, but Walmart is not a charger, so no preconditioning (of course my truck doesn't precondition regardless).

GoogleMaps running on my wife's phone to see radar traps, and catch any stupid navigation the other things try.
 

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Great post on a successful long distance journey! Appreciate all the details. How did you find hotels on journeys that had charging stations?
 
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Great post on a successful long distance journey! Appreciate all the details. How did you find hotels on journeys that had charging stations?
PlugShare and hotel apps.

Here's my method. Before anything, put the route into GoogleMaps so you know the shortest route in case ABRP suggests something crazy.

1) Determine how long you want to drive per day. To go to Colorado is 1,300 miles. I'm not doing that in 2 days, so that's a 3 day drive. On day 3, I want to drive less, arriving around 4PM to check-in, grocery shop, and go skiing the next day. So, that day would have less miles. I find around 450 miles a day is good.

2) Put in the entire 3 day trip in ABRP. Let it just calculate, starting at 8AM. Then, go look to see where the break of 450 or so miles is, as well as dinner time (they should line up closely). Keep in mind time changes, i.e. going west you gain an hour so your stomach thinks it's 6PM when it's 5PM). I wish EA had a "I want to drive XXX miles a day" feature to break the days up, but it doesn't).

3) Open GoogleMaps, and see if the charging stop around that time has hotels that you want to stay in (we don't stay in Motel 6, Super 8, Knights Inn, ...). Hampton, Fairfield, Holiday Inn Express (maybe), Drury Inn (GREAT!). Then, using PlugShare, see if they have chargers. You can also look in the Hilton and Marriott apps. The reason to find a hotel where there is a charging stop is for BACKUP.

4) Evaluate the hotel choices. Sometimes a major city is very pricey, but you can go 1/2 hour east or west and save a lot. Make sure the going hotel rate isn't being jacked by charging. Getting $40 in free charging is nice, but paying $50 more for that hotel would not be.

5) Read the PlugShare notes, and specifically charging speed. A 3kW is near useless. "Chargers always iced" is useless.

6) I then make that an overnight stop in PlugShare, and set a departure for 100% at 8AM. Note - with the Lightning, due to the size of the battery, you need to do some math. What's the speed of the charger? Says 6.6kW. What do notes from other say? If no notes, assume 10% loss, so now 5.9kW. Battery has say 125kW usable due to winter (I know because I have CarScanner running). I will park from 6PM to 8AM, i.e. charging for 14 hours. 14 x 5.9 = 82.6kW. 82.6/125 = 66%. So, to be at 100%, I need to start charging at 34%, so if I'm at 10% I hit the EA charger and get to 35%, then drive the mile to the hotel and plug in.

Sounds complicated, but planning means a smoother trip.

At our condo in Keystone, they had 25 cents per kWh charging for 5 hours, then they added a parking fee. I, and others, unplugged at 5 hours, and moved the vehicle. Next day after skiing, did another 5 hours. Then, on final night, charged to 100% and moved it. Garage was heated, so no preconditioning.

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Nice post. I went out and back to Missoula-Great Falls twice, once with our SR MachE and then with ER LT. Both 1800 mile trips were pretty uneventful other than ABRP telling me to hold speed to at 54 mph on the MT202 leg from Missoula to Great Falls. the MME did fine and arrived with 40+ miles of range. A year later, was a breeze for the ER LT. I agree you have use the chargers you come across (free at hotels and typically “not monitored”), aka just pull up and charge like your a guest. I too have a gaggle of apps. We tend to average about 4 hours between stops and a restroom break + snack + charging tends to make each stop easily within say 38-40 minutes of charging. I’ve 9 charging apps including Blink, BP pulse, Shell recharge, EVGP, ABRP, EA, Charge Point, Plug Share, Tesla. I noticed that an app at a credit union L2 (handy-next to hotel) had switched to another app in 12 months and as charging companies sort out the busy of charging.. that’ll be common. We cruised at 65 which kicked our use to 2.2 (headwinds & tailwinds really impact XC freeway driving). All in all the LT is a smooth rolling interstate cruiser on par /better than our former twin turbo Flex (no slouch & very comfortable).
 
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I agree you have use the chargers you come across (free at hotels and typically “not monitored”), aka just pull up and charge like your a guest.
I never stated this. I use hotel chargers at hotels I stay at. I would not use one if I wasn't staying at that hotel without asking them. On a trip, I'm not spending hours charging at a level 2 charger except overnight. Our lunch breaks are eating food we bring in the car while charging, or driving. The only "long" lunches we take are at a brewery if that fits with our itinerary.
 

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PlugShare and hotel apps.

Here's my method. Before anything, put the route into GoogleMaps so you know the shortest route in case ABRP suggests something crazy.

1) Determine how long you want to drive per day. To go to Colorado is 1,300 miles. I'm not doing that in 2 days, so that's a 3 day drive. On day 3, I want to drive less, arriving around 4PM to check-in, grocery shop, and go skiing the next day. So, that day would have less miles. I find around 450 miles a day is good.

2) Put in the entire 3 day trip in ABRP. Let it just calculate, starting at 8AM. Then, go look to see where the break of 450 or so miles is, as well as dinner time (they should line up closely). Keep in mind time changes, i.e. going west you gain an hour so your stomach thinks it's 6PM when it's 5PM). I wish EA had a "I want to drive XXX miles a day" feature to break the days up, but it doesn't).

3) Open GoogleMaps, and see if the charging stop around that time has hotels that you want to stay in (we don't stay in Motel 6, Super 8, Knights Inn, ...). Hampton, Fairfield, Holiday Inn Express (maybe), Drury Inn (GREAT!). Then, using PlugShare, see if they have chargers. You can also look in the Hilton and Marriott apps. The reason to find a hotel where there is a charging stop is for BACKUP.

4) Evaluate the hotel choices. Sometimes a major city is very pricey, but you can go 1/2 hour east or west and save a lot. Make sure the going hotel rate isn't being jacked by charging. Getting $40 in free charging is nice, but paying $50 more for that hotel would not be.

5) Read the PlugShare notes, and specifically charging speed. A 3kW is near useless. "Chargers always iced" is useless.

6) I then make that an overnight stop in PlugShare, and set a departure for 100% at 8AM. Note - with the Lightning, due to the size of the battery, you need to do some math. What's the speed of the charger? Says 6.6kW. What do notes from other say? If no notes, assume 10% loss, so now 5.9kW. Battery has say 125kW usable due to winter (I know because I have CarScanner running). I will park from 6PM to 8AM, i.e. charging for 14 hours. 14 x 5.9 = 82.6kW. 82.6/125 = 66%. So, to be at 100%, I need to start charging at 34%, so if I'm at 10% I hit the EA charger and get to 35%, then drive the mile to the hotel and plug in.

Sounds complicated, but planning means a smoother trip.

At our condo in Keystone, they had 25 cents per kWh charging for 5 hours, then they added a parking fee. I, and others, unplugged at 5 hours, and moved the vehicle. Next day after skiing, did another 5 hours. Then, on final night, charged to 100% and moved it. Garage was heated, so no preconditioning.

That help?
Fantastic help. Thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. Very helpful for my upcoming multi day trips. Cheers!
 

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Thanks for sharing your experience and methodology in travel, charging, route planning, etc. I've heard of ABRP but have never looked into it until reading your post. It reminds me of the PlugShare site to some degree.

We're planning a trip from essentially Missouri to Oregon this summer and I have a general idea what the trip route will be. I've researched chargers and alt. routes, breaking up the day into drives as you've described. Granted that was all before the Tesla network opened up so that could change things slightly.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing. Always love to hear about longer trips like this!
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