Just picked up my XLT and you guys whine too much :D

[BeeKind]

As opposed to showing a pic of a stock F150 and a price that makes people more upset at me than welcoming, I thought I'd lead with an outright insult. Just kidding, in fact I'd wager most in this crowd aren't who I'm talking about. I'm on now my 7th (!) electric vehicle, including a Rivian. Reading the complaints on here and Reddit about winter range, I was prepared for the worst. This isn't bad, my Chevy Bolt or Kona Electric would be taking a much bigger hit to range. I don't think people understand how good this truck is, likely because of amount of battery sapped for similar sized cabin for the resistance heater. 131kWh to heat roughly the same space as a 65kWh battery.

Just want to say, this truck does just fine in winter. Of course a heat pump would help but this local driving I did matches the R1 I had rolling around. I of course expect for it to be much worse over 65 but frontal area and shape that is built "ford tough" instead of ground up for aero, I'm way more than satisfied.

No idea how happy I am with this machine. Ford did a great job and I hope they don't divert from the F150 body shape in future iterations like GM and Ram. I and most get this thing to be a work truck (or at least a costco truck that poses as a work truck).

Sorry I got in "on the deals" but if it makes you feel any better I moved a fleet of EVs and traded into it. You can bet your ass I lost more than you guys did overall

Anyways, cool truck guys, sorry I'm late!

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[TaxmanHog]

Anyways, cool truck guys, sorry I'm late!

Welcome & enjoy your F150 Lightning!!

 

[davehu]

so much fun to drive it ought to be illegal!

 

[BeeKind]

so much fun to drive it ought to be illegal!

You know what's funny though? The first time I got into a car as fast as our Lightnings I mashed the throttle once with my wife in the car and said, "well I'll never do that ever again, why would you ever need that speed?!" Going from the Rivian, to this, this feels actually slow now! That's stupid.

The rest of the world doesn't need me (or anyone else) getting used to trucks at Rivian speeds, at least not without a special license or something. It may not be reasonable for anyone with a driver's license to go 0-60 in under 3 seconds in a 9,000 lb machine.

Not like Ford is going to listen to me, we all know a CT killer in performance is in the works with an SVT badge

 

[invertedspear]

Reading the complaints on here and Reddit about winter range, I was prepared for the worst. This isn't bad, my Chevy Bolt or Kona Electric would be taking a much bigger hit to range. I don't think people understand how good this truck is, likely because of amount of battery sapped for similar sized cabin for the resistance heater. 131kWh to heat roughly the same space as a 65kWh battery.

Just want to say, this truck does just fine in winter. Of course a heat pump would help but this local driving I did matches the R1 I had rolling around. I of course expect for it to be much worse over 65 but frontal area and shape that is built "ford tough" instead of ground up for aero, I'm way more than satisfied.

I'm actually really surprised to see you getting 2mi/kWh in 33F temps, unless you're using bare minimum heat, but just doing the quick math, you're at about 80% battery, and getting 2.0 efficiency, with a 131 kWh battery, your full range is 262 miles. that 230 remaining can not be accurate. That's the complaint most of us have. That GOM is insanely optimistic.

 

[The Weatherman]

Welcome to the ‘Light’ side!

 

[SMMD]

As opposed to showing a pic of a stock F150 and a price that makes people more upset at me than welcoming, I thought I'd lead with an outright insult. Just kidding, in fact I'd wager most in this crowd aren't who I'm talking about. I'm on now my 7th (!) electric vehicle, including a Rivian. Reading the complaints on here and Reddit about winter range, I was prepared for the worst. This isn't bad, my Chevy Bolt or Kona Electric would be taking a much bigger hit to range. I don't think people understand how good this truck is, likely because of amount of battery sapped for similar sized cabin for the resistance heater. 131kWh to heat roughly the same space as a 65kWh battery.

Just want to say, this truck does just fine in winter. Of course a heat pump would help but this local driving I did matches the R1 I had rolling around. I of course expect for it to be much worse over 65 but frontal area and shape that is built "ford tough" instead of ground up for aero, I'm way more than satisfied.

No idea how happy I am with this machine. Ford did a great job and I hope they don't divert from the F150 body shape in future iterations like GM and Ram. I and most get this thing to be a work truck (or at least a costco truck that poses as a work truck).

Sorry I got in "on the deals" but if it makes you feel any better I moved a fleet of EVs and traded into it. You can bet your ass I lost more than you guys did overall

Anyways, cool truck guys, sorry I'm late!

I very much agree with your sentiments.

 

[BeeKind]

I'm actually really surprised to see you getting 2mi/kWh in 33F temps, unless you're using bare minimum heat, but just doing the quick math, you're at about 80% battery, and getting 2.0 efficiency, with a 131 kWh battery, your full range is 262 miles. that 230 remaining can not be accurate. That's the complaint most of us have. That GOM is insanely optimistic.

It truly was all miles under 60mph, around NYC, including preconditioning before setting off. 70-72F auto heat (fan setting 1).

Can I ask a question? What guess-o-meter gets it right? They seem to all suck in the same way. They take a finite amount of history and use that average to display something in front of you. None of them do well with projecting for say 10mph over on the highway which has non-linear increases in resistance the faster you go. This will manifest in many instances as reading wildly inaccurate because people will spend 3-4 days doing Costco runs locally then on the 5th day add in an hour of highway driving. That last day is going to make it look really inaccurate.

I'd say of all the EVs I've owned the Rivian did it the best but I haven't owned a Tesla and hear they do it similarly. I think the difference is it uses the GPS information, which it always has because you're forced to use it with no AA/AP. This way their nav team can focus on more advanced feedback like elevation or changes in speed for highway driving.

Rivian kind of just cheated by buying a A Better Route Planner, it's going to take Ford an awful long time to catch up to either Rivian or Tesla on this front unless someone presents them with an off the shelf tool they can buy and mold into their current software. Honestly? I bought this car "final" and will count any updates as a bonus.

I have every expectation of the GOM to be old-OEM feel so I don't expect to be disappointed.

 

[JRT]

Awesome and congrats, my XLT ER is exactly what I wanted too!


Slow speed will be huge for range for sure. In 50s and below at highway speeds 70 I saw 1.8. I'm not mad, I knew what to expect coming from Mach-e. Many coming in do not know and there are some ridiculous m/kwh posted here that don't match most people.

 

[Jseis]

I’ve run a few vehicles to 165K, 220K, 145K, 6,000 hours on tractors, etc. If the LT pulls 200K I’ll be happy as that’ll save serious fuel charges ~net $35K (21 mpg equivalent at $4.50/gal). And cut dealer visits by 50%+. No DEF, $ for oil changes, filters, coil packs, plugs, etc. Then with maybe %80-%90 HVB left, it still is a great road runner. I’ve 4 gas chain saws that sit idle while the Ryobai is plug n play as is the mower, weed whacker, and drills, impact wrench, etc. Our electric utility charges are stupid cheap ($.0634/kwh) so no refined anything other than transaxle gear lube & RainX.

 

[invertedspear]

Can I ask a question? What guess-o-meter gets it right? They seem to all suck in the same way.

They all suck, but not in the same way. Optimistic GOMs are dangerous, but they look good to people that don't know better. Phoenix to Flagstaff is a great example of where an optimistic GOM could leave you stranded. There are no chargers on the I-17 between north Phoenix and Flagstaff. An SR on a winter night cannot make this trip. But If I were leaving Phoenix my GOM would indicate that I can. Worse, it won't really reveal that I can't until I am going to be stranded.

A more pessimistic GOM would reveal the issue in time for me to reroute to Sedona and get the charge I need to make it to Flagstaff.

The Ford GOM in 2022 was much more reactive and pessimistic, and I would often see that I would have more miles remaining when I arrived than I had figured I would when I subtracted the distance to my destination from my range. Then an update came along and gave us what we have now. It's why people are always doing math to figure out their own DTE, because they know they can't trust what the car presents. It's why the calculator in my signature is getting hundreds of hits a day.

 

[Jseis]

Here’s the thing. Those ICE 5-hash fuel gauges worked for decades w/o fail and anybody with a brain knew after years of driving how deep you could roll and not run dry. Now we’ve superior gps, digital data and yet zero common sense. I’ve learned that 270-275 miles is about my ER low limit though summer at 2.6 mi-kw/mi gets me 300-310+ at 55-58 mph. It’s just not a worry. My old ‘62 bug would take 10.5 gallons to the top of the 10 gallon tank fuel filler. And I ran the tank near dry but filled up at the station w/10.5 gallons!

 

[harlano]

Here’s the thing. Those ICE 5-hash fuel gauges worked for decades w/o fail and anybody with a brain knew after years of driving how deep you could roll and not run dry. Now we’ve superior gps, digital data and yet zero common sense. I’ve learned that 270-275 miles is about my ER low limit though summer at 2.6 mi-kw/mi gets me 300-310+ at 55-58 mph. It’s just not a worry. My old ‘62 bug would take 10.5 gallons to the top of the 10 gallon tank fuel filler. And I ran the tank near dry but filled up at the station w/10.5 gallons!

Reminds me of the '60 bug I had in high school. It didn't have a gas gauge but had a metal dipstick in the front near the gas tank. You ran it until it ran out of gas and then flipped a lever on the floorboard that gave you an extra gallon. If you didn't remember flipping it back when you filled up you were hosed!

 

[Calvin H-C]

The winter loss of range on my wife's Lightning has been comparable, if not a bit less than it is on my Focus Electric - in kilometres (or miles).

However, since a 90% charge on the Lightning gets us a bit more than double the distance that a 100% charge on my FFE, the loss of range on the Lightning as a percentage is less than half that of the FFE.

 

[Tom Jensen]

As opposed to showing a pic of a stock F150 and a price that makes people more upset at me than welcoming, I thought I'd lead with an outright insult. Just kidding, in fact I'd wager most in this crowd aren't who I'm talking about. I'm on now my 7th (!) electric vehicle, including a Rivian. Reading the complaints on here and Reddit about winter range, I was prepared for the worst. This isn't bad, my Chevy Bolt or Kona Electric would be taking a much bigger hit to range. I don't think people understand how good this truck is, likely because of amount of battery sapped for similar sized cabin for the resistance heater. 131kWh to heat roughly the same space as a 65kWh battery.

Just want to say, this truck does just fine in winter. Of course a heat pump would help but this local driving I did matches the R1 I had rolling around. I of course expect for it to be much worse over 65 but frontal area and shape that is built "ford tough" instead of ground up for aero, I'm way more than satisfied.

No idea how happy I am with this machine. Ford did a great job and I hope they don't divert from the F150 body shape in future iterations like GM and Ram. I and most get this thing to be a work truck (or at least a costco truck that poses as a work truck).

Sorry I got in "on the deals" but if it makes you feel any better I moved a fleet of EVs and traded into it. You can bet your ass I lost more than you guys did overall

Anyways, cool truck guys, sorry I'm late!

I love my 2023 Lariat. Two long drives from the DC area to Hatteras (330 miles appx) and lots of city driving under my seatbelt. I do wish it would better accommodate a front receiver hitch. And if it would make my dog stop shedding and drooling, I’d be over the moon. But as a truck and SUV guy for decades, I am delighted with this US-made beast that isn’t trashing my kids’ atmosphere or propping up petro-state goons.