White House releases plan to build nationwide network of 500,000 EV chargers

[vandy1981]

Not gonna happen. Not a real thing in the real world. The semi trucks are still concepts without ANY infrastructure to get on the road. That's literally none. And unlike lightweight EV's, they depend entirely on charging enroute - which does not exist, full stop. There is a ton of existing infrastructure for normal lightweight (car and SUV) EVs. The lightning is not a concept. Every semi EV is a concept. Interesting concepts, with promise, but literally not feasible in the real world. Said as a longtime early EV adopter with many miles under my belt.

Long-haul trucking is not going to be feasible anytime soon for the reasons you mention. There are some use cases that make sense in the short-term, though. Shipyard terminal tractors and semis used for local deliveries or short routes between distribution hubs are just a few examples. They would work great for moving Pepsi products between bottling facilities and storefronts. Public chargers wouldn't be needed in that case and charging could happen at the main depot.

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[EaglesPDX]

and every new project will have them

Sadly facts are otherwise. In our neighborhood of new apts and condos, about 1,000 dwellings. Only two buildings have chargers for a total of twelve for 1,000. The new one going up four buildings away will have six for 150 units. These are all rented to individuals, not available to all.

It will take building regs requiring much higher EV charger install rates.

CA has "right to charge" laws.

"“Right to charge” laws provide residents at multi-unit dwellings (and other properties) with the right to install a charging station for the individual's use provided that certain conditions are met (e.g., the individual assumes responsibility for all associated costs)."

But as you see, that would require a renter to install it and that is going to be cost prohibitive.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Tesla put their chargers everywhere because they are burning stockholder capital for expansion.

No. Musk put them in because he recognized that range anxiety and having a network of chargers was ESSENTIAL to Tesla's selling EV's from the very beginning. It's why Tesla is still building them out at a fast rate, concentrating on the areas of high usage and lines.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

No. Musk put them in because he recognized that range anxiety and having a network of chargers was ESSENTIAL to Tesla's selling EV's from the very beginning. It's why Tesla is still building them out at a fast rate, concentrating on the areas of high usage and lines.

Which is exactly what I said. It’s burning capital, but in a smart way.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Not a real thing in the real world.

Well looks real to Pepsi, Ryder, Amazon, Mercedes, Ford et al.

The economics of the EV semis is solid. The charging logistics as easy as EV cars.

First semis rolling out the same time as the main batch of F150's and people said the same about an EV pickup as they do about EV semis but the reality caught up with them faster than expected.

 

[EaglesPDX]

It’s burning capital, but in a smart way.

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

 

[Sklith]

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

I'm not certain where you're getting this information. Tesla delivered their first cars far earlier than the Superchargers came out. The Roadster doesn't even have the same connector!

 

[Mr. Flibble]

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

Ah...well 'burning capital' sounds a bit whimsical when it was anything but.

Tesla built out the charging network BEFORE it delivered a car. Essential to business plan. Same logic and now facts on the ground to why government is doing the same via the 500,000 public chargers plan (this topic) and mfgs are helping out with financial partnerships (Ford/VW and EA, GM and EVgo) with charger installers.

They started building the fast charging network after building the cars. But the government is doing it because they want to encourage adoption of EVs because of the perceived need for DCFC, which, as we have established with an average of 29.5 miles of driving per day, isn’t a requirement.

To be sure, this is a good thing for EV owners, and I encourage it, especially in areas like the Dakota’s where EV adoption is low, and chargers are near non-existent.

So is it a good thing? Yes. Is it truly a requirement? No. Though I think it will speed EV adoption which currently is quite low, but I expect major traction when we hit around 10% EV ownership in the population.

 

[EaglesPDX]

But the government is doing it because they want to encourage adoption of EVs because of the perceived need for DCFC

I don't think the bill specified DC vs. AC (L2) which was a point of discussion earlier.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Is it truly a requirement? No.

Ability to fast charge out side the home? Tesla says and pretty much proved it was a necessity. Every survey list range anxiety (the lack of fast chargers) as the No. 1 reason for not getting an EV.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Most people wouldn't switch to an EV if it means they have to wait longer to charge their car on average than it is to refuel their ICE vehicles

Well that's true of every EV vs. ICE, home charging or public charging, it will take longer than filling up with gas.

As someone who has done just public charging while driving twice national average in miles and has done home charging also, the public charging of 30 minutes every 1-3 days just isn't the issue those who haven't done it imagine it to be.

Only issue is availability and Tesla's 100:1 driver/charger ratio works well even with occasionally waits at busy times.

 

[Mr. Flibble]

Ability to fast charge out side the home? Tesla says and pretty much proved it was a necessity. Every survey list range anxiety (the lack of fast chargers) as the No. 1 reason for not getting an EV.

Given that most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it clearly is not needed. It is a nice to have. It fills in a need of the perception that people drive further than they actually do.

 

[Sklith]

Fast charging is needed for sure but the frequency most folks do it is pretty small. I’d have to drive my Tesla over 150 miles in a day to justify doing it, otherwise I’ll plug in at home at the end of the day and wake up to a charged car in the morning. Easy peezy.

 

[EaglesPDX]

Given that most people drive less than 30 miles a day, it clearly is not needed.

1,000,000 Teslas prove that to be wrong. They need and use the chargers.

 

[HSV_MIkeJ]

Musk has said a lot of things...

https://www.elonmusk.today/

So does Biden

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