2022 Lightning Extended Range (ER) battery real capacity (not usable) = 143.4kWh and Standard Range (SR) = 107.6kWh

[Roy2001]

Saw this on FB. According to OP, he saw the truck up on a lift today and was able to see the number. This is for ER battery.

So Ford keeps close to 8% capacity reserved.

Update: We have a number for SR battery: 107.6kWh real capacity.

That's why I charge mine to 100%.

Good to see that the SR battery is actually 107 kWh total capacity with 10% buffer built in.

Now I know it's safe to charge to 100% which in reality it's actually charged to 90%.

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[RavenYZF-R6]

That way they can release portions over time to stay within battery warranty parameters!

 

[greenne]

Hopefully with some more real world data and OTA updates they can unlock just a bit more usable battery for a few more miles of range. They did that with the MME-- if memory serves me correctly they increased the battery from 88 to 91 KwH in the newer MME.

 

[Roy2001]

That way they can release portions over time to stay within battery warranty parameters!

You want to keep those capacity untouched for battery longevity. For the same reason I keep my EV soc between 40-80% for daily usage.

 

[Firestop]

I came across this website last week that showed the gross rating at 141 kWh on the ER battery, so it’s nice to see some real world data that shows these listed specs were close…..

https://www.myevreview.com/compare/...ard-range,ford_f-150-lightning_extended-range,

 

[Roy2001]

I came across this website last week that showed the gross rating at 141 kWh on the ER battery, so it’s nice to see some real world data that shows these listed specs were close…..

https://www.myevreview.com/compare/...ard-range,ford_f-150-lightning_extended-range,

That website is guessing

 

[metroshot]

That's why I charge mine to 100%.

Good to see that the SR battery is actually 107 kWh total capacity with 10% buffer built in.

Now I know it's safe to charge to 100% which in reality it's actually charged to 90%.

 

[Roy2001]

That's why I charge mine to 100%.

Good to see that the SR battery is actually 107 kWh total capacity with 10% buffer built in.

Now I know it's safe to charge to 100% which in reality it's actually charged to 90%.

Most, if not all, reserved capacity would be used for below 0% situation. Completely zero is more harmful to Li-on battery, especially for long period.

Keep it on 100% is not good as well. I still suggest you to keep it at 90% unless you have a road trip coming. Don't think you really need that 20 miles range for everyday driving.

 

[sotek2345]

Hopefully with some more real world data and OTA updates they can unlock just a bit more usable battery for a few more miles of range. They did that with the MME-- if memory serves me correctly they increased the battery from 88 to 91 KwH in the newer MME.

They did for new builds, but they have not done, or announced any plans, to OTA update older vehicles with the extra unlock. (Sits in a late 2021 Mach-e build with only 88kWhr instead of 91).

They did update the charging curve which was a huge benefit between 80% and 90%.

 

[VTbuckeye]

That's why I charge mine to 100%.

Good to see that the SR battery is actually 107 kWh total capacity with 10% buffer built in.

Now I know it's safe to charge to 100% which in reality it's actually charged to 90%.

100 percent indicated may actually be 97 percent (not where you want a battery to stay long term) and 0 percent may actually be 7 percent. Or it could be 5 and 5. We don't actually know. Best practice is to keep the battery away from 100 and away from zero.

Not necessarily applicable, but car scanner says that my xc90 phev ranges in SOC from around 89.3 to 89.8 percent at 100 percent indicated and down to 18.7ish when the engine kicks on and the display shows no battery capacity remaining. It may further drop to about 17.4 or 17.5 if I am gentle on the go pedal and the engine is running, but not providing any supplemental power (initial warm up).

 

[greenne]

They did for new builds, but they have not done, or announced any plans, to OTA update older vehicles with the extra unlock. (Sits in a late 2021 Mach-e build with only 88kWhr instead of 91).

They did update the charging curve which was a huge benefit between 80% and 90%.

Good to know-- I thought I read somewhere that they *intended* to unlock more range on the older vehicles as well.

I know in the Podcasts with Darren Palmer he has stated the intent is to have continuous powertrain improvements to older vehicles thru OTA. He did specifically mention being able to "unlock" more range in future years.

 

[Maxx]

That makes sense. Farley did mention they did all their testing for battery degradation with charging to 100%. He said you could charge to 90% for additional life. Rivian recommends 70% charging for their battery.

 

[Roy2001]

100 percent indicated may actually be 97 percent (not where you want a battery to stay long term) and 0 percent may actually be 7 percent. Or it could be 5 and 5. We don't actually know. Best practice is to keep the battery away from 100 and away from zero.

Not necessarily applicable, but car scanner says that my xc90 phev ranges in SOC from around 89.3 to 89.8 percent at 100 percent indicated and down to 18.7ish when the engine kicks on and the display shows no battery capacity remaining. It may further drop to about 17.4 or 17.5 if I am gentle on the go pedal and the engine is running, but not providing any supplemental power (initial warm up).

PHEV battery size is smaller so Prius Prime reserves 25%, from 15-90%.

Toyota Hybrid only uses 40-70% due to its much smaller size batter which is usually 0.9-1.6kWh. It would charge/recharge thousands times.

 

[sotek2345]

Good to know-- I thought I read somewhere that they *intended* to unlock more range on the older vehicles as well.

I know in the Podcasts with Darren Palmer he has stated the intent is to have continuous powertrain improvements to older vehicles thru OTA. He did specifically mention being able to "unlock" more range in future years.

In general, people have been very disappointed with Mach-e OTA updates. I knew that going in and am prepared to be happy if it sticks with as delivered software (minus any fixes for recalls and the like).

 

[jazzmanmonty]

Idk if this means anything, but i took delivery 8/17 with only 12 miles on truck. I don't think the computer had time to adapt to driving habits in that short span. When i picked up from dealer, it was charged to 100% and range was 240mi. So idk if something has already changed software wise for 22MY, or if it's just coincidence.

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