Azgunguy
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- First Name
- Michael
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- Jan 7, 2024
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- Location
- Northern Arizona
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- 2023 Lightning Pro and 2012 Expedition Fleet
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Nice I am too kinda? I live 20 miles south east of Winslow down highway 99.I am.
Near Flagstaff.
I grew up on an off-grid ranch about 20 miles northwest of Winslow (I-40 to 99/Leupp Road).Nice I am too kinda? I live 20 miles south east of Winslow down highway 99.
Nice. I don’t travel up Leupp but I’ve been up there before. I live off grid now down where I am. Almost to the new wind farm they put out here.I grew up on an off-grid ranch about 20 miles northwest of Winslow (I-40 to 99/Leupp Road).
I live up on the mountain now.
That's a nice-looking array behind your truck. I'm more than a little jealous. We're finally getting solar put in this year.Nice. I don’t travel up Leupp but I’ve been up there before. I live off grid now down where I am. Almost to the new wind farm they put out here.
Thanks for breaking that down.I didn't think I've ever had an EA or T DCFC cost me $0.50/kWh. I have seen the non-subscription prices for EA and T be as high as $0.64/kWh, but I've never paid that much. The maximum I've paid was $0.48/kWh. I included the $8 for EA and $15 for T subscriptions.
We got slow charging of 120 kWh for no additional cost to us. I included our at home 109 kWh at our local utility rate of $0.14/kWh (including fees and taxes). We got a free charge of 82 kWh worth $45 at an EA charger for some reason. We had L2 at a rental house that was covered by the rental fee.
Subtracting the 202 kWh of no-cost charging from 1429 kWh leaves me with 1227 kWh that we paid for directly. Subtracting the at-home charging of 109 kWh and $15.26 gives me 1118 kWh for $444.19, or $0.397/kWh average for the charging we paid for during traveling.
We paid $0.35/kWh at the hotels we stayed at--neither was free. Charging at a SC off peak can be as low as $0.22/kWh, and you can find those in the app.
EVs are not ideal road trippers, they are ideal commuters. If you drive several hundred miles each time you get behind the wheel, you should know that an EV is not your best choice. So yes "while road tripping" the value of an EV is slightly negated. But road trips are usually the exception, and the cost advantage of going EV for all your in-town miles is often huge.it negates the "value" aspect of EVs when road tripping.
I don't disagree with anything you said. Though I'm not sure that is it a benefit that EV charging is consistently expensive.EVs are not ideal road trippers, they are ideal commuters. If you drive several hundred miles each time you get behind the wheel, you should know that an EV is not your best choice. So yes "while road tripping" the value of an EV is slightly negated. But road trips are usually the exception, and the cost advantage of going EV for all your in-town miles is often huge.
What I will say is that road tripping in an EV is amazingly consistent in cost/mile. 100 miles in AZ costs me roughly the same as CA. The same can not be said for gas. And EV chargers for road trips are in the middle of nowhere. Sticking to my common road trips, places like Dateland, Yuma, El Centro and Blythe/Quartzite all have fast chargers. The Supercharger in Quartzite is a freaking huge installation. The cost of building and maintaining these facilities and ensuring I can get from Phoenix to L.A. justifies the cost. Now the question is, will NACS adapters mean competition will reduce prices, or will they just give Tesla the monopoly on DCFC?
I don't begrudge a DCFC provider making some money--we live in a world where it's expensive to provide commodities like electricity for EVs. The installation investment isn't nothing. In CA the average cost of a kWh of electricity is about $0.199/kWh. If the DCFC provider charges $0.48/kWh, their immediate margin on the kWh is $0.281/kWh. Let's say it was $4.2M to install, operate, and maintain a 6-vehicle, 350kW station over 5 years*. If they want to make back 10% ROI, they have to get a return of $4.6M.Thanks for breaking that down.
At $0.397/kWh while using paid fast-chargers, that's about the same price as buying gas.
It's honestly a bit disappointing that the charge providers charge so much for electricity and it negates the "value" aspect of EVs when road tripping.
I can understand 40 cents per kWh in California where electricity is priced like champagne, but in low cost electricity states, why is it so high?
I will disagree with your first statement. We enjoy our road trips in the Mustang and Lightning far more than our previous ICEs. The only vehicle that's ever come close was a Toyota Sienna--if Toyota had kept their promise to go to all-electric, we would have a Toyota Sienna EV instead of the Mustang.EVs are not ideal road trippers, they are ideal commuters. If you drive several hundred miles each time you get behind the wheel, you should know that an EV is not your best choice. So yes "while road tripping" the value of an EV is slightly negated. But road trips are usually the exception, and the cost advantage of going EV for all your in-town miles is often huge.
What I will say is that road tripping in an EV is amazingly consistent in cost/mile. 100 miles in AZ costs me roughly the same as CA. The same can not be said for gas. And EV chargers for road trips are in the middle of nowhere. Sticking to my common road trips, places like Dateland, Yuma, El Centro and Blythe/Quartzite all have fast chargers. The Supercharger in Quartzite is a freaking huge installation. The cost of building and maintaining these facilities and ensuring I can get from Phoenix to L.A. justifies the cost. Now the question is, will NACS adapters mean competition will reduce prices, or will they just give Tesla the monopoly on DCFC?
I should have said "Not your best choice financially" because yeah, I love the lighting over my previous F150 when it comes to road trips because it forces me to relax a bit more and not push for "making good time" and instead we have a good time.I will disagree with your first statement.