3323 mile round trip Northern AZ to LA to Vancouver, WA -- Fantastic vehicle.

[Azgunguy]

Are you a fellow northern AZ resident?!

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[SpaceEVDriver]

Are you a fellow northern AZ resident?!

I am.

Near Flagstaff.

 

[Azgunguy]

I am.

Near Flagstaff.

Nice I am too kinda? I live 20 miles south east of Winslow down highway 99.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Nice I am too kinda? I live 20 miles south east of Winslow down highway 99.

I grew up on an off-grid ranch about 20 miles northwest of Winslow (I-40 to 99/Leupp Road).

I live up on the mountain now.

 

[Azgunguy]

I grew up on an off-grid ranch about 20 miles northwest of Winslow (I-40 to 99/Leupp Road).

I live up on the mountain now.

Nice. I don’t travel up Leupp but I’ve been up there before. I live off grid now down where I am. Almost to the new wind farm they put out here.

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

Nice. I don’t travel up Leupp but I’ve been up there before. I live off grid now down where I am. Almost to the new wind farm they put out here.

That's a nice-looking array behind your truck. I'm more than a little jealous. We're finally getting solar put in this year.

 

[lightspeed]

I didn't think I've ever had an EA or T DCFC cost me $0.50/kWh. I have seen the non-subscription prices for EA and T be as high as $0.64/kWh, but I've never paid that much. The maximum I've paid was $0.48/kWh. I included the $8 for EA and $15 for T subscriptions.

We got slow charging of 120 kWh for no additional cost to us. I included our at home 109 kWh at our local utility rate of $0.14/kWh (including fees and taxes). We got a free charge of 82 kWh worth $45 at an EA charger for some reason. We had L2 at a rental house that was covered by the rental fee.

Subtracting the 202 kWh of no-cost charging from 1429 kWh leaves me with 1227 kWh that we paid for directly. Subtracting the at-home charging of 109 kWh and $15.26 gives me 1118 kWh for $444.19, or $0.397/kWh average for the charging we paid for during traveling.

We paid $0.35/kWh at the hotels we stayed at--neither was free. Charging at a SC off peak can be as low as $0.22/kWh, and you can find those in the app.

Thanks for breaking that down.

At $0.397/kWh while using paid fast-chargers, that's about the same price as buying gas.

It's honestly a bit disappointing that the charge providers charge so much for electricity and it negates the "value" aspect of EVs when road tripping.

I can understand 40 cents per kWh in California where electricity is priced like champagne, but in low cost electricity states, why is it so high?

 

[invertedspear]

it negates the "value" aspect of EVs when road tripping.

EVs are not ideal road trippers, they are ideal commuters. If you drive several hundred miles each time you get behind the wheel, you should know that an EV is not your best choice. So yes "while road tripping" the value of an EV is slightly negated. But road trips are usually the exception, and the cost advantage of going EV for all your in-town miles is often huge.

What I will say is that road tripping in an EV is amazingly consistent in cost/mile. 100 miles in AZ costs me roughly the same as CA. The same can not be said for gas. And EV chargers for road trips are in the middle of nowhere. Sticking to my common road trips, places like Dateland, Yuma, El Centro and Blythe/Quartzite all have fast chargers. The Supercharger in Quartzite is a freaking huge installation. The cost of building and maintaining these facilities and ensuring I can get from Phoenix to L.A. justifies the cost. Now the question is, will NACS adapters mean competition will reduce prices, or will they just give Tesla the monopoly on DCFC?

 

[lightspeed]

EVs are not ideal road trippers, they are ideal commuters. If you drive several hundred miles each time you get behind the wheel, you should know that an EV is not your best choice. So yes "while road tripping" the value of an EV is slightly negated. But road trips are usually the exception, and the cost advantage of going EV for all your in-town miles is often huge.

What I will say is that road tripping in an EV is amazingly consistent in cost/mile. 100 miles in AZ costs me roughly the same as CA. The same can not be said for gas. And EV chargers for road trips are in the middle of nowhere. Sticking to my common road trips, places like Dateland, Yuma, El Centro and Blythe/Quartzite all have fast chargers. The Supercharger in Quartzite is a freaking huge installation. The cost of building and maintaining these facilities and ensuring I can get from Phoenix to L.A. justifies the cost. Now the question is, will NACS adapters mean competition will reduce prices, or will they just give Tesla the monopoly on DCFC?

I don't disagree with anything you said. Though I'm not sure that is it a benefit that EV charging is consistently expensive.

Maybe robo-taxis will replace commuter EVs for most city people. In the future, when self driving proves itself to be more safe than human drivers, it would be irresponsible to let people drive.

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