Ars Technica Article on Possible Upcoming Funding Changes for EVs and EV Infrastructure

[Firn]

Sure, and I do understand the carbon issue. For some reason none of the “treaties” to date have done anything significant about India and China’s emissions. If the pain is felt equally by all then I can see an argument, but when you target only the traditionally first world countries and let China and India with lax environmental laws and 2.9 of the 8.1 billion inhabitants of Earth continue polluting it seems agenda driven. What’s next, climate reparations for what the boomers and Greatest Generation did?

What are you talking about. China has signed such "treaties" and been more consistent with following them than we have. They are now the global leader in green energy and darn near implement more green energy per year than we have in total. More than that they also lead the world in switching to electric power, what with something like 50% of new car sales being electric. Which is sayign something for the lagest auto market in the world. And not only do they implement more of it than anyone else, they have become the world leader in MAKING it.

At the end of the day though this attitude is exactly the problem. We have gone from being the world leader to the world follower and folks sit and complain about how everyone else should be doing something. What's worse is they ARE doing it, and we are NOT.

As for India, they may not be implementing fields of solar panels and hydrogen electric dams (which of course we don't either being they get shot down as being the "green agenda"), but they are modernizing their equipment. Folks like to complain but countries don't go from inefficient coal plants directly to nuclear, wind, and solar.

This is the rhetoric spewed in the echo chambers, once you look past folks only seeing what they want to see the truth is far different.

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[broncoaz]

Yep, China is doing great on reducing their CO2 emissions They are 35% of the world emissions.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239093/co2-emissions-in-china/#:~:text=Carbon dioxide emissions in China 1960-2023&text=China released 11.9 billion metric,of countries where emissions increased.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-overview

https://www.iea.org/reports/co2-emissions-in-2023/the-changing-landscape-of-global-emissions

 

[ccough]

Some data (links/citations provided):

https://edgar.jrc.ec.europa.eu/report_2024

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statis...s-emissions-of-a-mid-size-bev-and-ice-vehicle

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A few points:

China is currently the top emitter, emitting at 2.68 times the rate of the US (top figure).

It is observed that the US has reduced GHG emissions by around 17% since the peak around the year 2000. China has seen a 311% change in GHG output since 1990.

Transportation accounts for 29% of the GHG emission in the US (second figure). Of this, 57% is derived primarily from consumer "light vehicle" use (third figure). This use is, by some margin, the largest output in transportation sector and is ~16.5% (roughly 1/6) of total GHG emission in the US. Given total US emission of around 6,000 Mton-equivalent, personal transport accounts for roughly 1,000 Mton-equivalent emissions.

Comparing lifetime BEV to ICE usage, there is a ~50% reduction in greenhouse outputs (if a central value is assumed for EVs) (fourth figure). If all light-duty vehicles were BEVs, the US could reduce GHG emissions by 500 Mton-equivalent (to ~5,500 Mton-equivalent, if all other sectors hold).

This would offset 64% of the 784 Mton increase in GHG from China from years 2022 to 2023. This reduction exceeds GHG emissions of many smaller and/or less developed countries.

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Of course, weighing such data in policy making making is a complex issue dependent on a number of personal and external "weighting" factors.

(*Post edited to get figures in correct positions)

 

[Firn]

Yep, China is doing great on reducing their CO2 emissions They are 35% of the world emissions.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/239093/co2-emissions-in-china/#:~:text=Carbon dioxide emissions in China 1960-2023&text=China released 11.9 billion metric,of countries where emissions increased.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-overview

https://www.iea.org/reports/co2-emissions-in-2023/the-changing-landscape-of-global-emissions

Yes, they HAVE high emissions, as a country, but by populace they are still less than the US. And that does not in any way refute what was said, they HAVE implemented more green technology than we have, they ARE following the treaties better than we do, they are also growing and increasing their industrial base. This is far more than "oh look, big number, must be bad". This is an exceedingly simplistic look with zero depth on the subject that proves that just because you can quote some facts does not mean you have identified the truth.

 

[broncoaz]

Yes, they HAVE high emissions, as a country, but by populace they are still less than the US. And that does not in any way refute what was said, they HAVE implemented more green technology than we have, they ARE following the treaties better than we do, they are also growing and increasing their industrial base. This is far more than "oh look, big number, must be bad". This is an exceedingly simplistic look with zero depth on the subject that proves that just because you can quote some facts does not mean you have identified the truth.

I thought you might respond with that. The graph on the left below is per capita, notice China and India are increasing while we and other countries are decreasing. Their population is 4x ours meaning every small increase in emissions makes a much larger impact on global emissions. As India becomes more industrialized I would expect their emissions to also grow significantly. I have stated in other discussions that investing in having developing nations skip the coal and dirty fossil fuels portions of industrialization will have a greater impact on global emissions than severely restricting US and EU emissions where we burn things cleaner.

With respect to China following treaties: there is no transparency with respect to the numbers reported by a totalitarian regime, the numbers are what they say that are. They were so transparent with respect to Covid as it spread to the rest of the world and killed between a reported 5.9 million and estimates as high as 18 million. That same government engages in currency manipulation and is in the midst of a real estate crisis, both of which have impacts on the world economy. Forgive me for not trusting their government and climate numbers.

This is an interesting video on their housing crisis:

 

[The Weatherman]

They (China) have moved their auto industry to between 40-50% of new car sales being EV’s/Hybrids. Ice manufacturers are fleeing like never before due to the collapse of ICE.

The US and Europe are blocking and taxing Chinese car imports, which are primarily EV’s, for fear of their adaptation and that causing the collapse of our own auto industry. And yet the same people are doing everything in their power to squash our own EV option.

if we as a country don’t do something different it will not end well for anyone!

 

[Grumpy2]

if we as a country don’t do something different it will not end well anyone!

This is no longer a theoretical issue. Even if we were in "net zero" today (greenhouse gases produced equal amount removed) My 7 year old granddaughter will possibly experience a significant sea level rise (plus X feet) impacting all 3 edges of the USA.

 

[sotek2345]

This is no longer a theoretical issue. Even if we were in "net zero" today (greenhouse gases produced equal amount removed) My 7 year old granddaughter will possibly experience a significant sea level rise (plus X feet) impacting all 3 edges of the USA.

Famine from lost farming yields (drought / flood cycles) and the migration and war that will cause will impact her and us far faster than sea level rise.

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