Blue Cruise Co-Pilot 360 Disappointment / Frustration

[2AActuary]

The delays and lack of communication from Ford on this issue has just zapped my excitement for it. I signed up for the early access; was led to believe that I would get by end of 3rd quarter, then would check my email for an update leading into the 4th quarter. Now I’m just past it. It will happens when it happens. It would be nice if they recognize the delay be lowering the initial cost for this feature, which I doubt happens.

Experiencing this in 2021, as well as delivery of a new Bronco, has really opened my eyes at how little information that Ford shares with their dealership network. They seem to really have to fly blind on way too many issues.

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[FXDR131]

Statistically, there are fewer accidents and deaths per mile when AI is driving.

Sorry, I'm not buying into the hype. Everyone knows it's not without it's hick-ups. My new high tech phone and pc have glitches all the time.

 

[gtotco]

Sorry, I'm not buying into the hype. Everyone knows it's not without it's hick-ups. My new high tech phone and pc have glitches all the time.

Sorry if this comes across as glib but why are you here?

I’m not even one of the people who is upset about this (though am interested as it’s a feature I paid for), but your comments really don’t seem to be productive to the discussion at hand. I would recommend starting a new thread to discuss whether or not hands free is a useful feature (which I think is a reasonable discussion to be had) but I think this is clearly not the place for that.

 

[FXDR131]

Sorry if this comes across as glib but why are you here?

I’m not even one of the people who is upset about this (though am interested as it’s a feature I paid for), but your comments really don’t seem to be productive to the discussion at hand. I would recommend starting a new thread to discuss whether or not hands free is a useful feature (which I think is a reasonable discussion to be had) but I think this is clearly not the place for that.

My comment is valid and pertains to this post. I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way.

 

[gtotco]

My comment is valid and pertains to this post. I'm sorry if it rubs you the wrong way.

As stated above it doesn’t rub me the wrong way I honestly don’t care it just isn’t helpful. As stated I think this is a relevant conversation wrong place. Please start a new thread.

 

[NewtruckinFL]

The 3-6 hours is the update time. It took me about 3 hours to update the software because it’s through can and it’s limited in speed.
I believe that there will be a hardware upgrade required for bc to work. I believe they could be working to allocate parts enough for the upgrade for everyone .
Again just theory on my part

This goes back to me telling my kids that if something happened, telling me the truth now is way better than me having to find out later. If it was a known hardware issue all along but they are saying it is simply them trying to improve the over the air experience for its customers, that is not a good look. Hoping it is just software delivery related and they fix it soon!

 

[JohnMcClane]

It sounds like 22s are getting it on delivery.

Pretty excited to pair the V8 with the hands free since based on current trends, a new V8 F150 may be unobtainable soon.

 

[speedracercjr]

Why is it so important to have hands-free driving? Do you want to eat a bowl of cereal while you "drive"? Do you have better things to do, so you put your life and the lives of others in the hands of AI?

In my case it's not about how important it is, it's that I paid for a prep package and was charged $995 for a feature that I have been unable to use.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Statistically, there are fewer accidents and deaths per mile when AI is driving.

Elon Musk mythology. Tesla & Elon fan here, but that's simply not true. False stats. I use my beta FSD on our MX every day, love it, but it's not ready for prime time. Not even close. Great to experience the AI and modern tech, but man, what a drunk teenager.

 

[guppydriver]

Elon Musk mythology. Tesla & Elon fan here, but that's simply not true. False stats. I use my beta FSD on our MX every day, love it, but it's not ready for prime time. Not even close. Great to experience the AI and modern tech, but man, what a drunk teenager.

Not being confrontational or disagreeing with you in the slightest, but what do you mean "false stats"? Are you saying the data is being manipulated? I've heard three terms in the last few posts describing the ability of self driving tech to mitigate accidents.
a. Hype
b. Mythology
c. Statistics

One of those is measurable science, the others not so much. Is there data that measures the accident rate per mile when a vehicle is operating in self driving mode (I don't know if there is.....according to one poster there is)? Is there data measuring accident rates per mile when not using a self driving mode (clearly there is historical data as it is new technology)? Is the former greater than latter? Is the latter great than the former? Is there no measurable difference? Is there not enough data to compensate for variables and cause vs. correlation? I don't know the answer, just talking out loud.

Anecdotally, I can not imagine how targeted and measured use of self driving by the general population could not be considered statistically safer than not having the technology available, but I'll believe the data if it disagrees with me. I'm not saying you are safer, or the other posters who are prudent, responsible drivers are safer. I'm talking in general. Very rarely can I drive any significant distance on my local interstate without encountering at least one failure to slow/stop accident that appears to have been caused by inattentive drivers.

Although many see this burgeoning technology as an affront on the passion of driving and perhaps even a metaphoric threat to self reliance and expression, there is no doubt that it has the potential to mitigate countless accidents. Many pilots were equally dubious of the introduction of sophisticated autopilots during the 70's and 80's arguing that the relinquishing of control will cause more accidents. The data is in and irrefutable. It is clear that automation has been a catalyst in bringing commercial aviation safety records to an almost unbelievable level.

 

[gtotco]

Not being confrontational or disagreeing with you in the slightest, but what do you mean "false stats"? Are you saying the data is being manipulated? I've heard three terms in the last few posts describing the ability of self driving tech to mitigate accidents.
a. Hype
b. Mythology
c. Statistics

One of those is measurable science, the others not so much. Is there data that measures the accident rate per mile when a vehicle is operating in self driving mode (I don't know if there is.....according to one poster there is)? Is there data measuring accident rates per mile when not using a self driving mode (clearly there is historical data as it is new technology)? Is the former greater than latter? Is the latter great than the former? Is there no measurable difference? Is there not enough data to compensate for variables and cause vs. correlation? I don't know the answer, just talking out loud.

Anecdotally, I can not imagine how targeted and measured use of self driving by the general population could not be considered statistically safer than not having the technology available, but I'll believe the data if it disagrees with me. I'm not saying you are safer, or the other posters who are prudent, responsible drivers are safer. I'm talking in general. Very rarely can I drive any significant distance on my local interstate without encountering at least one failure to slow/stop accident that appears to have been caused by inattentive drivers.

Although many see this burgeoning technology as an affront on the passion of driving and perhaps even a metaphoric threat to self reliance and expression, there is no doubt that it has the potential to mitigate countless accidents. Many pilots were equally dubious of the introduction of sophisticated autopilots during the 70's and 80's arguing that the relinquishing of control will cause more accidents. The data is in and irrefutable. It is clear that automation has been a catalyst in bringing commercial aviation safety records to an almost unbelievable level.

I haven’t seen a good reliable study showing AI is statistically better than humans, at least has generally been released. Tesla has often tried to put out a stat based on internal data that AFAIK has never been substantiated.

For all the cars you see that cause accidents there are tens of thousands more that didn’t each of those days. Humans are by no means perfect and there are a lot of things they are bad about (speeding, tailgating, driving drunk, tired etc) but overall they are still surprisingly good. There are a lot of the bad behaviors of humans that I’m sure are worse than how plenty of AI’s drive but a lot of AI’s have significant blind spots as well (as I’m sure the FSD beta tester above can attest to).

The most annoying stat Tesla always cites is “better than the average car” but the average car on the road is something like 12 years old with no advanced driver assists, and a lot of accidents are caused by bad behavior. Accurate portrayal would be comparing against other similarly equipped late model cars and a lot of these have pretty good safety records.

Generally speaking a lot of these assists currently are very good at being exactly that - assists. They help make driving less tiring and they help people from doing certain stupid things like drifting off the road or following too closely. They also have significant blind spots which is why they still require driver monitoring. They may or may not be better than human drivers, but they are definitely different, which is why they require monitoring. We are in a weird time right now where things are advancing but we aren’t there yet. People need to understand the limits and be patient.

For now at least the clear safest is the mix of an attentive human driver and a good driver assist package. Each can cover up the blind spots of the other. It’s one of the things I like about how Toyota is branding their driver assist packages as “Teammate” which I think is a fitting description of where we are, generally.

Edit: I will caveat this that there is one place with pretty reliable data and it’s statistics from robo taxi companies registered to test in California where they need to submit to California DMV certain data. A lot of these are probably better, but they are not at all the same types of systems being installed in current consumer vehicles.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

Not being confrontational or disagreeing with you in the slightest, but what do you mean "false stats"? Are you saying the data is being manipulated? I've heard three terms in the last few posts describing the ability of self driving tech to mitigate accidents.
a. Hype
b. Mythology
c. Statistics

One of those is measurable science, the others not so much. Is there data that measures the accident rate per mile when a vehicle is operating in self driving mode (I don't know if there is.....according to one poster there is)? Is there data measuring accident rates per mile when not using a self driving mode (clearly there is historical data as it is new technology)? Is the former greater than latter? Is the latter great than the former? Is there no measurable difference? Is there not enough data to compensate for variables and cause vs. correlation? I don't know the answer, just talking out loud.

Anecdotally, I can not imagine how targeted and measured use of self driving by the general population could not be considered statistically safer than not having the technology available, but I'll believe the data if it disagrees with me. I'm not saying you are safer, or the other posters who are prudent, responsible drivers are safer. I'm talking in general. Very rarely can I drive any significant distance on my local interstate without encountering at least one failure to slow/stop accident that appears to have been caused by inattentive drivers.

Although many see this burgeoning technology as an affront on the passion of driving and perhaps even a metaphoric threat to self reliance and expression, there is no doubt that it has the potential to mitigate countless accidents. Many pilots were equally dubious of the introduction of sophisticated autopilots during the 70's and 80's arguing that the relinquishing of control will cause more accidents. The data is in and irrefutable. It is clear that automation has been a catalyst in bringing commercial aviation safety records to an almost unbelievable level.

Sorry for the attack attitude. I assumed you were referencing Elon Musk's specious claims regarding Tesla's autopilot safety. As a statistician, Ifind his math behind full of holes - virtual PT Barnum stuff. I agree that in theory, self driving vehicles should ultimately be safer than human-driven vehicles. We are along way from that day, but humans clearly are more distracted than ever, with more chemical influences, and less situational awareness than a trained machine would have. It is amazing to watch my Model X "see" the world and understand what it "knows" abut its environment.

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