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That’s still overpaying since the new buyer won’t be eligible for the EV tax credit. Although many buyers may not be aware of the tax credit.
Not everyone qualifies for the tax credit so this is a non-issue for many.
 

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I am wondering what a 2022-2023 Pro with ER battery (fleet) in good condition will go for in 2024-2025.
It all depends on if you look at EVs as trucks with computer on board or laptops with wheels. In first case, you could say, F150s of any kind never had problem selling used. In second case, old tech get cheap fast. By 24-25 a few Silverado’s and even Cybertrucks may be on the road with slightly more efficient design and faster charging (CT will be using Smi charging) which with an improved charging network can make a hungry truck a bit more practical for travel and towing. That is if we are not all toast in WWIII or in an upgraded pandemic by then.
 

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That is if we are not all toast in WWIII or in an upgraded pandemic by then.
The recession/inflation/impending economy collapse would like a word.

That's a betting favorite currently and has the stats to support it.
 

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The recession/inflation/impending economy collapse would like a word.

That's a betting favorite currently and has the stats to support it.
Regardless of which one wins, we are on the same team. Those optimist idiots can’t comprehend the beauty of our doom and gloom outlook. We can appreciate what we have today much better ;)
 

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I wonder if the Rivians doing the same? If not, it will only be a matter of time, due to economy. That’s my bet! I wonder this, because I’ve been itching to drive one and see the difference. Talked to an owner for about 30 min at EA and he’s only had couple small recalls.
 

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I wonder if the Rivians doing the same? If not, it will only be a matter of time, due to economy. That’s my bet! I wonder this, because I’ve been itching to drive one and see the difference. Talked to an owner for about 30 min at EA and he’s only had couple small recalls.
Rivian is definitely a riskier bet and likely more expensive with insurance and repairs. I still have my Rivian reservation but opted for Pro. Not having driven any of them (I sat in an R1T), I could say, Rivian is definitely a cooler vehicle but I prefer less complex suspension, less waste of energy at rest, quiet and comfort of Ford. Also proximity of service centers and the fact that if I can get a Pro at the price Ford promised, it is a Better value. All that said buying experience so far has been more stressful and if my dealer push me over the edge, I still may end up with a Rivian.
 

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Another data point: I plugged a Lariat ER ($81k MSRP) into Vroom and the offer was $66k. Carvana made no offer. CarMax no online offer.

Anyone have thoughts on buying now vs next year for those with tax credit intelligibility starting in 2023?

Originally I wanted the lowest spec ER model with pro power and the 360 cam. Recently SR Lariats have become available at MSRP ($72k). Pretty expensive truck for only 230 mile EPA, but if pickins are projected to be slim I would rather have it than not.
 

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With the resale market softening, just gotta find a way to profit off of the novelty quicker than the depreciation.
 

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It all depends on if you look at EVs as trucks with computer on board or laptops with wheels. In first case, you could say, F150s of any kind never had problem selling used. In second case, old tech get cheap fast. By 24-25 a few Silverado’s and even Cybertrucks may be on the road with slightly more efficient design and faster charging (CT will be using Smi charging) which with an improved charging network can make a hungry truck a bit more practical for travel and towing. That is if we are not all toast in WWIII or in an upgraded pandemic by then.
It will be interesting what the market thinks of the F150L in 2-3 years. Will it depreciate like an ICE F150 or like an early EV, before the Covid nonsense.
 

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It will be interesting what the market thinks of the F150L in 2-3 years. Will it depreciate like an ICE F150 or like an early EV, before the Covid nonsense.
I think Batteries have a lot to say about that. If BMS does a good job with longevity of the battery and new battery tech does not improve much, used prices will not be that bad but if higher density batteries with higher number of charge cycles find their way to the market at lower price, Lightning may look like old news and price will reflect that. Unless changing the battery to the new tech turns out to be cost effective.

That brings up a question for those that already own a Lightning. Can you see anywhere in the menu or with OBD2 scanner what the life of the battery is (in terms of cycles or any other unit)?
 
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Some people are pessimists, some optimists, both experience the same objective realities,
I think Batteries have a lot to say about that. If BMS does a good job with longevity of the battery and new battery tech does not improve much, used prices will not be that bad but if higher density batteries with higher number of charge cycles find their way to the market at lower price, Lightning may look like old news and price will reflect that. Unless changing the battery to the new tech turns out to be cost effective.

That brings up a question for those that already own a Lightning. Can you see anywhere in the menu or with OBD2 scanner what the life of the battery is (in terms of cycles or any other unit)?
I agree that that battery tech would be a large factor. I expect the Lightning battery to easily last the lifetime of the truck 250K+ miles with less than 10% degradation if treated reasonably (based on Tesla data). Then they can do a second life as home backup or similar.

There is nothing on the immediate horizon that radically changes the picture for battery density or longevity and the roadmaps for all EV makers (except Toyota?) is to use one of the lithium variants.

Solid state batteries seem very promising but they are crazy expensive and there is no supply chain for them in quantity and none being built currently.
 

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Some people are pessimists, some optimists, both experience the same objective realities,


I agree that that battery tech would be a large factor. I expect the Lightning battery to easily last the lifetime of the truck 250K+ miles with less than 10% degradation if treated reasonably (based on Tesla data). Then they can do a second life as home backup or similar.

There is nothing on the immediate horizon that radically changes the picture for battery density or longevity and the roadmaps for all EV makers (except Toyota?) is to use one of the lithium variants.

Solid state batteries seem very promising but they are crazy expensive and there is no supply chain for them in quantity and none being built currently.
Yup, efforts seem to be incremental and not ready for mass market.

https://thedriven.io/2022/05/19/mer...silicon-battery-tech-from-ex-tesla-engineers/
 
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