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10% extra range with the bed covered up? No noticeable range difference with the bed uncovered?

All a moot point if Electrify America chargers continue to be marginally reliable.
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Face it, all of this research exists solely to help convince the significant other why we need to spend another $1000+ on an accessory.
 

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My efficiency has been pretty good. It's probably the tonneau.
 

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From an aerodynamic standpoint they absolutely improve efficiency (a tailgate is a wall stopping air). Now whether it's 0.5% or 10% I have no clue.
nope. Exactly not how it works. I understand why that seems logical, but there's a vortex back there. The tailgate is not a wall against the air given its location and how air flows over the back. Studies have shown that a tailgate in down (open) position uses more fuel than one in the up position.
 

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No tonneau cover has ever made a noticeable impact/improvement on gas mileage on any truck I've ever owned. Everything I've ever seen trying to prove or disprove it always leads to the same aerodynamics studies or some variation of it where it shows the static air in the bed section with air swirling over the top. The biggest aerodynamic inhibitor on pickup trucks has been the front grille -- Lighting, Rivian R1T, have improved on that by not needing a huge air intake through the radiator up front. But they're marginally better than a brick in overall shape.

10% extra range with the bed covered up? No noticeable range difference with the bed uncovered?

All a moot point if Electrify America chargers continue to be marginally reliable.
True. And I ran to WalMart this morning for a couple things and the EA chargers in the parking lot were all offline or at least none were lit up. No one sitting there trying to charge. No one really at WalMart either. Probably because it was -14 F when I pulled into the parking lot.
 

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I saw zero change in mine when installing the cover. The newer F150 tailgate is designed with a 'whale tale' to make the air go over it and skip the bed, so I doubt it makes a difference at all. The old flat-plate tailgates didn't have this, and could see a slight improvement, but even mythbusters saw improvement to having the tailgate up (showing it is more than just a wall to the air, it creates an area of still-air that the moving air goes around).
 

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nope. Exactly not how it works. I understand why that seems logical, but there's a vortex back there. The tailgate is not a wall against the air given its location and how air flows over the back. Studies have shown that a tailgate in down (open) position uses more fuel than one in the up position.
Saying a tailgate in the open position uses more fuel than one in the closed position, is a different stance and arguement than a tonneau cover vs a closed tailgate with open bed. I wasn't comparing open tailgate vs closed tailgate. I was comparing open bed with closed tailgate (how every truck is designed) to tonneau cover.

Gotta love how people can read actual scientific tests showing no advantage and yet still think there will be. Explains so much about the world today.
Except, there are studies by reputable sources that show a Tonneau does improve aerodynamics.

I'm not claiming 10% by any means, I'm just saying it does.

I put a Tonneau on my truck because I live in the PNW, I didn't do it for range.

Here's MotorTrend study reinforcing SEMA's test:

www.motortrend.com/features/1512-truck-aerodynamics-testing-the-snugtop-speed-showdown/amp/
 

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Saying a tailgate in the open position uses more fuel than one in the closed position, is a different stance and arguement than a tonneau cover vs a closed tailgate with open bed. I wasn't comparing open tailgate vs closed tailgate. I was comparing open bed with closed tailgate (how every truck is designed) to tonneau cover.



Except, there are studies by reputable sources that show a Tonneau does improve aerodynamics.

I'm not claiming 10% by any means, I'm just saying it does.

I put a Tonneau on my truck because I live in the PNW, I didn't do it for range.

Here's MotorTrend study reinforcing SEMA's test:

www.motortrend.com/features/1512-truck-aerodynamics-testing-the-snugtop-speed-showdown/amp/
Seriously? That was a high speed run with modified trucks testing stability at speeds over 150 mph. There is not one legitimate test out there showing improved efficiency from a topper or bed cover on a pickup truck. Not one. And if there were, the dozens of tonneau manufacturers would be touting it. But the folks like mythbusters nd consumer reports, who have done actual scientific test and shown otherwise have put paid to their efforts to make such claims so they don't even try. That folks on forums like this still cling to such claims because it seems logical or they want to justify spending a couple grand on a toy is hilarious to me. I have a nice Retrax XR tonneau with Yakima risers and crossbars, with a kayak lifting system because I like them and find them useful, not because they provide efficiency benefits. In fact, I know that their added weight and structure costs range after transferring them from prior pickups to the new Lightning, so only put them on when needed and in use.
 

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Saying a tailgate in the open position uses more fuel than one in the closed position, is a different stance and arguement than a tonneau cover vs a closed tailgate with open bed. I wasn't comparing open tailgate vs closed tailgate. I was comparing open bed with closed tailgate (how every truck is designed) to tonneau cover.



Except, there are studies by reputable sources that show a Tonneau does improve aerodynamics.

I'm not claiming 10% by any means, I'm just saying it does.

I put a Tonneau on my truck because I live in the PNW, I didn't do it for range.

Here's MotorTrend study reinforcing SEMA's test:

www.motortrend.com/features/1512-truck-aerodynamics-testing-the-snugtop-speed-showdown/amp/
Well, my fear with this whole discussion is the bread is being sliced a little too thin and we’re operating in the sliver….maybe 3-6 miles of range with a drive using 70% of an ER battery

Depending on whick research study you subscribe too, I feel it’s safe to take away that after installing a flat bedcover alone, we’ll see ~4-6% reduction in drag depending on the model vs an actual test; and, that reduction in drag will translate to ~1.4-1.8% in “fuel” efficiency. If you subscribe to the 10% drag reduction therory, you would see about about a 3% “fuel” efficiency increase.

Example trip
2.1 mi/kWh x 1.015 = 2.132 mi/kWh (+0.032 mi/kWh)

131 kWh (ER) x .70 (useable capacity) = 91.7 kWh

91.7 x 2.1 = 192.57 miles
91.7 x 2.132 = 195.50……… a 3 mile gain……6 miles at +3% efficiency (10% less drag)

If so, that tells me adding a flat cover on the Lightning isn’t really going to have much of a range impact on an individual trip (~3 to 6 miles).

I too live in the PNW and I see getting a cover is really about “protecting“ the cargo in the bed…which I’m ok with…. Use of a bed cover will save you “fuel” over time (life of ownership…and thus, save money), but is negligible in helping extend your range on any individual trip……🤔








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Saying a tailgate in the open position uses more fuel than one in the closed position, is a different stance and arguement than a tonneau cover vs a closed tailgate with open bed. I wasn't comparing open tailgate vs closed tailgate. I was comparing open bed with closed tailgate (how every truck is designed) to tonneau cover.



Except, there are studies by reputable sources that show a Tonneau does improve aerodynamics.

I'm not claiming 10% by any means, I'm just saying it does.

I put a Tonneau on my truck because I live in the PNW, I didn't do it for range.

Here's MotorTrend study reinforcing SEMA's test:

www.motortrend.com/features/1512-truck-aerodynamics-testing-the-snugtop-speed-showdown/amp/
Further, that "test" was not done by Motortrend - it was a paid feature, performed by the top manufacturer as stunt - and they conveniently "disqualified" the Ford results without explaining what the results were or why they were thrown out, but speculation is that they went the wrong way for the intended sales pitch.
 

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Let see….
Bed cover 1000$ this is cheap for a good one.
Power 0.10$/kwh I know it varies a lot.
10000kwh for 1000$

So let say you use 500Kw a month driving and see a whopping 10% energy savings(impossible) it would only take you 16 years to break even. A more realistic number is 1% so by the year 2200 you could have that tonneau start to pay you back.
nope. Exactly not how it works. I understand why that seems logical, but there's a vortex back there. The tailgate is not a wall against the air given its location and how air flows over the back. Studies have shown that a tailgate in down (open) position uses more fuel than one in the up position.
Exactly. I l chuckle at truck with tailgates down thinking they are getting better mpg.

Here is a good read

https://xplrcreate.com/2019/08/08/aerodynamics-of-tailgate-closed-vs-open/
 

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Exactly. I l chuckle at truck with tailgates down thinking they are getting better mpg.
...Or the guys who throw away a perfectly good tailgate and replace it with the net or bars that lets air flow through. LOL. If the tailgate actually was a huge aerodynamic factor, those tailgates that are supposed to let air pass through would be even worse in terms of causing drag, not better. Huge marketing push on the net/web tailgate replacements in the late '80s and early '90s several manufacturers trying to claim it improved gas mileage. Caught on briefly, especially with the Toyota crowd. Until they all realized it made no difference and not only did it look stupid, it was functionally stupid too. But I still see some of this out there.
 

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It's almost certain that the tonneau changes the efficiency but if it was a meaningful change then we wouldn't even be discussing it. Trucks would come with tonneaus on them so the manufacturer's could claim the improved fuel economy.
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