Towing Specs Consolidated Document - Bumper vs. Class IV vs. Tow vs. Max Tow - UPDATED DOC v4

[Sandbaja]

Dang! I just read all 11 pages and it reminds me of the same discussions I had on Jeep Wrangler and Ranger forums. There must be an evil cabal of tow engineers cackling away somewhere.

I have a 19 FX4 max tow Ranger coming off lease and am trying to decide between the PB or just say screw it and go to a F-250. I'm currently towing a 24' max trailer weight of 6450#, unladen 4800# and the Rangers butt wiggles a bit while using an equalizer WD and anti sway setup.

Normally I wouldn't consider the hybrid but am intrigued by smart tow scales and the 7.2 kw

generator.

I'm getting ready to dive into the sales morass.

If you see a guy at the dealer with rolly/spinning eyes, it's me.

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[AlxMlr]

I just picked up a '22 XLT 302A max tow and the sticker on the hitch says #14,000 distributed. That's a pretty insane number, I only tow a 6k car trailer loaded up.

I noticed there was no rear stabilizer bar, only front. That's also wild. I'm coming from a ram with the #12,000 capacity.

 

[BLoflin]

I just picked up a '22 XLT 302A max tow and the sticker on the hitch says #14,000 distributed. That's a pretty insane number, I only tow a 6k car trailer loaded up.

I noticed there was no rear stabilizer bar, only front. That's also wild. I'm coming from a ram with the #12,000 capacity.

That is that hitch assemblies max rating which is used across numerous trim and tow and engine options., not your truck's rating.

If your in a Short Bed SuperCrew 4WD Max Tow XLT with 5.0V8 then your Max Tow is 13K. If the 3.5L EcoBoost then is 13.9k. With PowerBoost it's 12.4k.

 

[AlxMlr]

That is that hitch assemblies max rating which is used across numerous trim and tow and engine options., not your truck's rating.

If your in a Short Bed SuperCrew 4WD Max Tow XLT with 5.0V8 then your Max Tow is 13K. If the 3.5L EcoBoost then is 13.9k. With PowerBoost it's 12.4k.

Ah, ok. makes sense! Mine is short Bed SuperCrew 4WD Max Tow XLT with the 3.5L, so 13.9k. Not that I would ever think about towing anything close to that much with a 1/2 ton.

Before I start a new thread, Does anyone know if the max tow package also lifts the rear end over a non-max tow? I noticed a 1" block under the leaf spring, and my rear end is 3.9" higher than my front end - 37.5"f ~41.5" rear

 

[BLoflin]

Ah, ok. makes sense! Mine is short Bed SuperCrew 4WD Max Tow XLT with the 3.5L, so 13.9k. Not that I would ever think about towing anything close to that much with a 1/2 ton.

Before I start a new thread, Does anyone know if the max tow package also lifts the rear end over a non-max tow? I noticed a 1" block under the leaf spring, and my rear end is 3.9" higher than my front end - 37.5"f ~41.5" rear

Not sure. I know the 4x4 adds 2" in height at the rear (tailgate height) over 4x2. Also believe the Max Tow adds a 3rd leaf to the leaf springs.

 

[AlxMlr]

Not sure. I know the 4x4 adds 2" in height at the rear (tailgate height) over 4x2. Also believe the Max Tow adds a 3rd leaf to the leaf springs.

thanks, I do indeed have a 3rd leaf spring. Need to get this baby leveled asap.

 

[vidwiz]

I noticed there was no rear stabilizer bar, only front.

Rest easy as that stabilizer is solid lol, unlike the hollow lesser packages!

 

[hotrodmex]

I just picked up a '22 XLT 302A max tow and the sticker on the hitch says #14,000 distributed. That's a pretty insane number, I only tow a 6k car trailer loaded up.

I noticed there was no rear stabilizer bar, only front. That's also wild. I'm coming from a ram with the #12,000 capacity.

Would you be willing to share a picture of there your rear axle tube meets the wheel? This area circled:

Preferably from a couple of angles. Should be able to grab that with the wheel on. I'd just like to see the end of the axle tube for a hypothesis I have, that hopefully would help folks out.

 

[Robpm]

I have a new 2022 F-150 Lariat, 6.5 bed with SCC, 3.5L EB, FX4, Sport with 20" wheels, Max Tow package, 3.55 Axle with E-lock, electronic tail gate, no moon roof, 36 Gal fuel tank, standard mirrors, Ford Tonneau cover. Did not come with spray in bed liner. Added it after the fact. GVWR 7150, Rear GAWR 4150, front GAWR 3750, payload 1650, MGTW WD 14000, and MTW WD 1400 and MGTW WC 5000 and MTW 500. Weighed the truck on CAT with full tank of gas, steer Axle 3180, drive axle 2380, gross weight 5560. Should have been 5500 so maybe spray in bed liner by Line-X added 60#? Had nothing else in the truck. I have heard that the CAT scales only give the weight to the closest 20 lbs but I dont know that to be true although looking at the numbers it would make sense.

I want to tow my 6000# JD 990, 40HP tractor which has a FEL and BH on a flat bed trailer. Looking at an AL trailer around 2000# so total weight 8000# with a tongue weight some where around 800 - 900#. That will eat up over half my payload. I am going to put a WDH on it as well so there is another 100 - 150#. Maybe remove the Tonneau cover when towing.

I have read through this whole thread. I am curious on some of these things regarding the towing packages as well and the axle size etc. As many noted the documents do not state anything about the Rear GAWR 4150. I did not order this truck. The dealer was using it for a demo and it was pretty much what I was looking for regarding color, sport package etc. I knew I needed the max tow. I have a lot of pics for the underside if any are curious.

 

[hotrodmex]

Just grinding my own personal axe here, this is a good shot of external difference between the '21+ HD axle and the Standard. I get these are two different sides, but the flanges are totally different in how the look on the tube, and the large four bolts that hold on the HD hub are nowhere to be seen lower than the brake caliper mounting bolt on the STD, like on the HD.

@Robpm You might want to take off your rear wheels and check for broken axle bolts at the end of the axle. This problem has been cropping up on some '21s.

 

[Aron]

I have heard that the CAT scales only give the weight to the closest 20 lbs but I dont know that to be true although looking at the numbers it would make sense.

I have weighed my truck/trailer combo dozens of times at many different CAT scales, and can confirm that they round to the nearest 20 lbs.

Additionally, since the scales are calibrated to weigh trucks that routinely carry 40,000 lbs or more, they're probably not tuned to precisely gage the relatively lightweight trailers that F150s would tow, so I would assume that the numbers you get from the scale are just "pretty close". It wouldn't shock me if you got slightly different weights from different scales, even with the same fluid levels and passengers. I once took my stock truck and weighed it without any passengers (and full fluids) to see how close it would get to the payload sticker on the side. Payload sticker says 1286 lb; scale said that I had 1400 lb before hitting the GVWR.

 

[Robpm]

Makes sense. The weight on mine was measured with full fluids, I had just filled the tank at the station where the CAT scale was and we got out of the truck so no people in it. The curb weight fluid filled should be 5500# and the CAT scale weighed 5560#. 60# off but there is one thing that has been added to the truck after purchasing it which was I just had the bed sprayed with Line-X and I would assume that would make a difference. Maybe there is around 50# of that material added to the truck which would seem reasonable to me. So probably my payload has shifted down from 1650# to 1600#.

 

[vidwiz]

I did a lot of research on payload. My notes show 45 lbs for sprayin so that sounds right on.

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