Tesla stops reservations for cheapest Cyberturd

[DesertEV]

Good thing your a f'n expert !

Just in spotting Cyber Turds

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[Peddyr]

Just in spotting Cyber Turds

Can't we all just......get along

 

[F150ROD]

Seem to be following Ford's foot steps in limiting the Pro and XLT.

This is probably the case. Although I am starting to get the feeling that the “Foundation” is going to be around for a while. The normal CT will be the true limited edition.

 

[DesertEV]

Can't we all just......get along

lol for sure. Just a ton of Lightning owners dumping their Lightning bc their # for CT came in. I don’t think the CT qualifies as a truck…rather an EV car that tows.

 

[Danface]

Less cool DeLorean gets my vote!!!
Edit: cyber suppository a close second!

"Demon Love Child of a DeLorean and a Pontiac Aztek?"

 

[ZheWiz]

Seating position is better, software is lightyears better. Technology (48volt, 4 wheel steering, air suspension, etc) is lightyears better. I picked Lightning because I don't want the attention or the current price premium, but overall I think the CT (call it whatever you want, name calling seems childish, but whatever) is a better vehicle, if not a better truck, but not as much better as the price would imply.

I literally received my invitation to order back in March while I was signing for the Lightning. I got my $100 back. I wouldn't trade my Lightning for the CT straight up right now, as I feel like the CT isn't ready yet. Version 2 or Version 3 might finally get the kinks worked out.

 

[Grease Lightning]

Seating position is better

never have sat in one, but how is seating position better then my lightning? I am 6’5 and can have my seat in my normal position and still sit in the back with tons of legroom to spare.

software is lightyears better.

for a lot of things I would agree with you, but really for most things no. The Lightning is a truck not an iPad, well unless you bought the Lariat and above. I would love some of the nerd data tools Tesla has and the quickness of doing OTA, but for the normal stuff I think the Lightning is great.

Oh yeah….CarPlay……

 

[ZheWiz]

never have sat in one, but how is seating position better then my lightning? I am 6’5 and can have my seat in my normal position and still sit in the back with tons of legroom to spare.

It's not the "room" that's better, it's the overall position. And a lot of that is personal preference. The overall position is better FOR ME, but I get that's an opinion not shared by all...never will be. I always want the steering wheel as low as possible, for example. The CT's steering wheel is small and since there's no "dash" you can put it as low as desired w/o anything being blocked. Super comfortable for me. Similar to my (traded in on Lightning) Model Y. The view forward is great (let's not talk about sideways or back...those a-pillars and sails...ouch...not so good there LOL!!)

for a lot of things I would agree with you, but really for most things no. The Lightning is a truck not an iPad, well unless you bought the Lariat and above. I would love some of the nerd data tools Tesla has and the quickness of doing OTA, but for the normal stuff I think the Lightning is great.

Oh yeah….CarPlay……

Well you're kinda *completely* agreeing with me. The technology is better, you just may not want it. I'm a computer nerd, programmer. More tech is better as far as I'm concerned. I'm fine with an iPad on wheels and consider that to be "better technology". Ford's software is "fine' but not in the same class as Tesla's. There's something to be said for owning both the hardware and the software...makes the software easier to deal with. Ford is more like a built PC...bits and pieces from everywhere. Very difficult to adjust software without hardware cooperation.

And CarPlay...I thought I'd miss it in my Tesla...I didn't. I'm finding that when the car's built-in software is competent, CarPlay isn't necessary...it's more for when the car designer cut corners on the software, decide they want to focus on something else...or for rental cars. Love it when I'm in a "foreign" car. But Tesla's interface design is so good, CarPlay was never missed or needed by me. Tesla's built in nav is great. Punch in where you want to go and it handles everything else and does it REALLY REALLY well. Better than Waze, ABRP, Apple Maps, the built in Ford Nav, etc. The audio controls are great...I never missed CarPlay.

Anyway, I stand by my statement...tech and software are lightyears better in Tesla in general and certainly in the CT.

 

[DesertEV]

It's not the "room" that's better, it's the overall position. And a lot of that is personal preference. The overall position is better FOR ME, but I get that's an opinion not shared by all...never will be. I always want the steering wheel as low as possible, for example. The CT's steering wheel is small and since there's no "dash" you can put it as low as desired w/o anything being blocked. Super comfortable for me. Similar to my (traded in on Lightning) Model Y. The view forward is great (let's not talk about sideways or back...those a-pillars and sails...ouch...not so good there LOL!!)



Well you're kinda *completely* agreeing with me. The technology is better, you just may not want it. I'm a computer nerd, programmer. More tech is better as far as I'm concerned. I'm fine with an iPad on wheels and consider that to be "better technology". Ford's software is "fine' but not in the same class as Tesla's. There's something to be said for owning both the hardware and the software...makes the software easier to deal with. Ford is more like a built PC...bits and pieces from everywhere. Very difficult to adjust software without hardware cooperation.

And CarPlay...I thought I'd miss it in my Tesla...I didn't. I'm finding that when the car's built-in software is competent, CarPlay isn't necessary...it's more for when the car designer cut corners on the software, decide they want to focus on something else...or for rental cars. Love it when I'm in a "foreign" car. But Tesla's interface design is so good, CarPlay was never missed or needed by me. Tesla's built in nav is great. Punch in where you want to go and it handles everything else and does it REALLY REALLY well. Better than Waze, ABRP, Apple Maps, the built in Ford Nav, etc. The audio controls are great...I never missed CarPlay.

Anyway, I stand by my statement...tech and software are lightyears better in Tesla in general and certainly in the CT.

A person drives a CT it is a vanity play unless you are using it to promote a business or 501C3. People complain about OTAs with Ford. I had to drive my truck to the Toyota dealership to do updates. The OTAs are actually pretty good. It just took them some time to figure it out. Mass recalls on the CT. Why would anyone seriously drive this thing other than vanity? Being serious.

 

[Grease Lightning]

Well you're kinda *completely* agreeing with me.

Hardly from the truth. I think there actual UI is garbage. I had in the Y and 3 where you have to use the screen to select a gear. I find the CT’s little tiny back up camera a joke and causing drivers to take their eyes off the road to much (should have done a monitor in the appropriate position, but we all know Elon is cheap and F….).

car's built-in software is competent,

Is it competent or “best”? Can’t have it both ways really.

That is why I prefer the CarPlay/Android Auto approach. It allows the OEMs to provide a good car, provide great datasets and APIs for accessory manufacturers to utilize and capture.

Sadly there is never a one size fits most approach now that we are combining a car with a computer for most functions.

Remember when the great Steve Jobs said touch screens would be so intuitive that we would not need a stylus, then enters the Apple Pencil?

 

[F150ROD]

It's not the "room" that's better, it's the overall position. And a lot of that is personal preference. The overall position is better FOR ME, but I get that's an opinion not shared by all...never will be. I always want the steering wheel as low as possible, for example. The CT's steering wheel is small and since there's no "dash" you can put it as low as desired w/o anything being blocked. Super comfortable for me. Similar to my (traded in on Lightning) Model Y. The view forward is great (let's not talk about sideways or back...those a-pillars and sails...ouch...not so good there LOL!!)



Well you're kinda *completely* agreeing with me. The technology is better, you just may not want it. I'm a computer nerd, programmer. More tech is better as far as I'm concerned. I'm fine with an iPad on wheels and consider that to be "better technology". Ford's software is "fine' but not in the same class as Tesla's. There's something to be said for owning both the hardware and the software...makes the software easier to deal with. Ford is more like a built PC...bits and pieces from everywhere. Very difficult to adjust software without hardware cooperation.

And CarPlay...I thought I'd miss it in my Tesla...I didn't. I'm finding that when the car's built-in software is competent, CarPlay isn't necessary...it's more for when the car designer cut corners on the software, decide they want to focus on something else...or for rental cars. Love it when I'm in a "foreign" car. But Tesla's interface design is so good, CarPlay was never missed or needed by me. Tesla's built in nav is great. Punch in where you want to go and it handles everything else and does it REALLY REALLY well. Better than Waze, ABRP, Apple Maps, the built in Ford Nav, etc. The audio controls are great...I never missed CarPlay.

Anyway, I stand by my statement...tech and software are lightyears better in Tesla in general and certainly in the CT.

I'll give you better than Ford, but not better than any of the others IMO. The software isn't "lightyears" from Ford, it's just more gimmicky. There are several features that Ford could have one but decided not too due to the demographic that buys Fords...... it's not the computer nerd, programmer type. Tesla UI is superior to Ford's which is a shame. Our Instrument cluster is pathetic compared to say the Mustang and even the ICE F-150, it's just boring.

The CT's interior is pathetic, the rear is dump truck style, according to the Mag's (yeah I know, "paid shills") the Lightning handles the skidpad better, and the CT looks fragile upon approach.

Tesla needs another Truck without the sails and a properly sized interior. They built an El Camino that can tow.

 

[swajames]

I would hardly call 1.9 million orders a turd!

As of last week you no longer needed to be a reservation holder to order a Foundation Series, and the delivery timeframes for new FS orders for non reservation holders are not long, which tells you the take up rate from reservation holders wasn't as strong as they might have expected. And there isn't going to be a 40K CyberTruck any more. The pre-order numbers aren't going to convert at anything like the rate some seem to think. Plus Musk has revealed himself to be even more of an absolute turd of a human being since the 2019 initial launch. Tesla sales are down as a direct consequence. Who knew that alienating customers, advertisers, whomever wasn't the smartest business strategy?

 

[ZheWiz]

I'll give you better than Ford, but not better than any of the others IMO. The software isn't "lightyears" from Ford, it's just more gimmicky. There are several features that Ford could have one but decided not too due to the demographic that buys Fords...... it's not the computer nerd, programmer type. Tesla UI is superior to Ford's which is a shame. Our Instrument cluster is pathetic compared to say the Mustang and even the ICE F-150, it's just boring.

The CT's interior is pathetic, the rear is dump truck style, according to the Mag's (yeah I know, "paid shills") the Lightning handles the skidpad better, and the CT looks fragile upon approach.

Tesla needs another Truck without the sails and a properly sized interior. They built an El Camino that can tow.

You're talking interface, I'm talking technology. Whether the interface is "good" or "bad" is an opinion. The Tesla technology is light years better. We can argue if the interface is better or not. The Ford interface is fine. The technology behind it is light years better on Tesla and the CT specifically. Just look at how often the two are updated and how well those updates go. I would argue that the CT technology is factually better. The interface? Meh...that's debatable. I prefer Tesla's, but I'm an admitted geek, so take it as you will. I prefer buttons for the climate control though. I don't have that on my Lariat either. I also prefer stalks for shifting and turn signals. But again, that's all interface, not technology.

Interior? Again opinion. I like the simple interior, but I'm not sure the quality is there on Tesla. I think the Ford interior is better built. Feels nicer, less cheap. Part of why I think the CT needs a couple revisions. It appears slapped together - inside and outside. Rushed.

 

[ZheWiz]

Hardly from the truth. I think there actual UI is garbage. I had in the Y and 3 where you have to use the screen to select a gear. I find the CT’s little tiny back up camera a joke and causing drivers to take their eyes off the road to much (should have done a monitor in the appropriate position, but we all know Elon is cheap and F….).

See my response above. You're arguing UI vs technology. The screen gear selection sucks, the lack of stalks sucks. The technology is still better. The implementation maybe not so much.

Is it competent or “best”? Can’t have it both ways really.

You're taking my statement out of context. I'm saying if a car's interface is at least competent, CarPlay isn't needed. Tesla's is far better than competent. My main point, though, is that Tesla doesn't need CarPlay. Its interface is better than CarPlay. I seriously thought I'd miss it. I didn't.

That is why I prefer the CarPlay/Android Auto approach. It allows the OEMs to provide a good car, provide great datasets and APIs for accessory manufacturers to utilize and capture.

Certainly a valid point. But that doesn't make Tesla's implementation worse because they DID spend time on it. Just probably makes it more expensive than probably necessary.


Remember though. I bought a Lightning and don't regret my decision. When the price of the CT drops to something reasonable, I *still* won't switch. I think there are a lot of things better about the CT. But I also think there are a lot of things better about the Lightning. Overall I think I made the right choice. But the CT isn't a "Turd". It's a good option, just not for most of us that bought the F150.

The F150 feels more solid. It feels like an electrified F150, that's a good thing. It doesn't SCREAM "LOOK AT ME" like the CT. I love my Lightning. Just think the tech is better on the CT by a wide margin.

 

[mattskr]

I'm seeing this bumper sticker more and more around town now.

We need one for Cyberturd buyers:

"I bought this knowing it looks ridiculous but I love crazy Elon!"

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