195kw Charging Speed

[Helium]

Charged on a 350kw EA charger on the East side of Memphis today. I was at 49% SoC (displayed). It very quickly ramped up to 196kw (according to the EA charger screen), the scanner app indicated a max 200kw charging. This is the fastest I have ever seen, this beats the 176kw at an EA charger on the West side of Colorado.

And you don't have to even say it, I should have snapped a picture.

oh, oh, oh, but it shows it in the EA app (had to reduce the number in the title to 195kw)

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[hturnerfamily]

I've seen 168kw or so, and my wife's newer Kia EV9 just today ramped up to 250kw... both at EA stations, as few others for CCS reach the EA 350kw capacity...

 

[Yellow Buddy]

I've seen 168kw or so, and my wife's newer Kia EV9 just today ramped up to 250kw... both at EA stations, as few others for CCS reach the EA 350kw capacity...

The EV9 is stupid. I just did a 12 hour one way drive in ours and I wasn’t able to nap once. The stops are just too darn short in that thing, combined with that range and efficiency..my stomach and bladder hates that car.

 

[hturnerfamily]

I don't know what 'stupid' means, as we just traveled 900 miles in ours, over several days(600 miles just yesterday), with no issues... two stops. Yes, our 'bladders' needed to stop more often - oh well...
We LOVE it!

My Lightning is jealous.
It gets the EXACT same miles per fill-up as the EV9, and has now over 43,000 miles on it, too, and tows our camper - and has towed it over 20,000 miles.

'stupid' is as stupid does.... a wise ol' proverb. : )

 

[Yellow Buddy]

I don't know what 'stupid' means, as we just traveled 900 miles in ours, over several days(600 miles just yesterday), with no issues... two stops. Yes, our 'bladders' needed to stop more often - oh well...
We LOVE it!

My Lightning is jealous.
It gets the EXACT same miles per fill-up as the EV9, and has now over 43,000 miles on it, too, and tows our camper - and has towed it over 20,000 miles.

'stupid' is as stupid does.... a wise ol' proverb. : )

My Lightning gets more miles in mixed but the EV9 gets more on the highway. At 80mph the efficiency of the Lightning drops like a rock. I was able to maintain 3.0mi/kWh in the EV9 at 80-90mph.

I find the seats in the Lightning much more comfortable, but the massaging features make the EV9 easy to drive for an extended period. The suspension on that car as well, it is superbly tuned. It’s the right amount of comfort and sport.

It’s so well sorted out. It’s the first EV I’ve owned that feels comfortable at high speed. I’ve owned faster EVs, more expensive EVs, EVs with 3x more power and this is the only one where I have looked down and gone - oops. That is 3 digits there. All my other ones, if I was in that range it was intentional.

My only desires - a frunk, and access to the SC network that can actually sustain 200kW instead of 87kW.

 

[hturnerfamily]

I agree with all those sentiments... it's a GREAT battery-powered THREE-row seating SUV that is smooth, fast, easy, and comfortable... I've actually thought the 'frunk' space with our LIGHT version is massive for under the hood, and while not comparable to the space in the LIGHTNING, of course, it holds all our 'auto maintenance' items, and all our 'charging' cords, cables, extension cords, and EVSE to take along with us... easy.

Yesterday, down mostly I75 for 300 miles, and one charging stop, we averaged that magical 3.0miles per/kWh while mostly 65-70mph... little wind, not terrible traffic on a Sunday, and not bad temps, either...

The automated DRIVING ASSISTANCE is fantastic, and works better than the Tesla Model 3's system... automatic lane change is something I don't know I even wanted, but it is also a NICE feature when you get used to it... following, slowing automatically, with adaptive cruise, also can't be beat...

One of my FAVORITE features, though, are the REGENERATION paddles... these allow me to 'hand control' the speed, slowing, REGENERATION, and just an overall great way to discount actual physical braking in the majority of situations - AUTO HOLD is the additional feature that also adds the final piece of the puzzle - love it.

For charging, DC Fast Charging at EA tends to be almost TWICE as fast as the best speeds I see for my LIGHTNING - the battery pack of the LIGHT SR EV9 is also 3/4 of the size of the Lightning's battery pack for my PRO SR, so a speedy 12 minute stop south of Atlanta was such an EASY and QUICK process.

 

[Ventorum94]

I've seen 168kw or so, and my wife's newer Kia EV9 just today ramped up to 250kw... both at EA stations, as few others for CCS reach the EA 350kw capacity...

No mystery: it’s about voltage (of the battery pack, which is much higher in the Kia than the Lightning) and current available from the charger. Until DCFC’s can output more than 500A, the most we’re going to see in our Lightnings is 170-180kW. The Kia’s charging kW is greater because of its higher pack voltage (250kW would require a pack voltage of 500V if charger output limited to 500A; the Lightning’s pack voltage is typically mid-300V).

 

[Yellow Buddy]

No mystery: it’s about voltage (of the battery pack, which is much higher in the Kia than the Lightning) and current available from the charger. Until DCFC’s can output more than 500A, the most we’re going to see in our Lightnings is 170-180kW. The Kia’s charging kW is greater because of its higher pack voltage (250kW would require a pack voltage of 500V if charger output limited to 500A; the Lightning’s pack voltage is typically mid-300V).

Or unless someone comes out with a retrofita switch that allows us to charge at 800V like the Silverado.

Charging over 500A just seems prohibitively expensive between all the metal required for wire and cable gauges and the temperature regulation.

 

[Danface]

Or unless someone comes out with a retrofita switch that allows us to charge at 800V like the Silverado.

Charging over 500A just seems prohibitively expensive between all the metal required for wire and cable gauges and the temperature regulation.

How much is the combined downtime of all those people worth? Pay what it costs and move on, we (their customers) are worth it

 

[Yellow Buddy]

How much is the combined downtime of all those people worth? Pay what it costs and move on, we (their customers) are worth it

Im sure my downtime is worth less than a lot of folks, but I was thinking more the build costs.

The chargers if they operated at a lower amperage and higher voltage should be able to be built for less. Collectively for 10,000 chargers, adds up in the profitability model. Likewise for cars, building in a higher voltage allows lower gauge wires, which can improve profitability which allows more chargers, cars at a lower price, which drives adoption, which increases economies of scale. It’s a part of a domino chain

 

[Danface]

Im sure my downtime is worth less than a lot of folks, but I was thinking more the build costs.

The chargers if they operated at a lower amperage and higher voltage should be able to be built for less. Collectively for 10,000 chargers, adds up in the profitability model. Likewise for cars, building in a higher voltage allows lower gauge wires, which can improve profitability which allows more chargers, cars at a lower price, which drives adoption, which increases economies of scale. It’s a part of a domino chain

Totally understand & agree. The arc of technology will equalize cost while improving the process. Add to that, for example. things like high temp super conductivity and we're looking at something akin to the first mainframes and telephones vs the current (pun intended) "state of the art"

 

[Helium]

I don't know what 'stupid' means,....

"The EV9 is stupid" should be read as "The EV9 is so good it is stupid" which means:

"The expression "so good it's stupid" is a colloquial way of emphasizing that something is exceptionally, almost absurdly good. The term "stupid" in this context is used hyperbolically to convey a level of excellence or enjoyment that is surprising or overwhelming."

 

[Ventorum94]

Or unless someone comes out with a retrofita switch that allows us to charge at 800V like the Silverado.

Charging over 500A just seems prohibitively expensive between all the metal required for wire and cable gauges and the temperature regulation.

The “switch that allows 800v charging” is unlikely to be a retrofit- the battery pack itself is actually two battery packs; the “switch” connects them in series for charging (400v+400v=800v), parallel (400v) for driving.
GM employed this more expensive approach, after the Lightning was introduced without it (it’s the second rat that gets the cheese!). I guess Ford didn’t figure on the market being as range-sensitive as it turned out to be (to make a huge long-range battery pack charge at a reasonable rate, you need higher voltage). If faster charging becomes as important as extended range, perhaps future vehicles will have the split battery pack design even on smaller pack sizes.

 

[hashtagemmer]

Charged on a 350kw EA charger on the East side of Memphis today. I was at 49% SoC (displayed). It very quickly ramped up to 196kw (according to the EA charger screen), the scanner app indicated a max 200kw charging. This is the fastest I have ever seen, this beats the 176kw at an EA charger on the West side of Colorado.

And you don't have to even say it, I should have snapped a picture.

You can take a screen shot from the EA app, it shows the max speed you reached in a charging session

 

[Maquis]

You can take a screen shot from the EA app, it shows the max speed you reached in a charging session

There is no record in the EA app for sessions initiated by Plug & Charge or FordPass.

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