Jim Lewis
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Today, I retested backup power transfer by my Home Integration System, and for the 6th time in a row since 1/9/24, it worked. Power came on with 1'20" of cutting grid power.
TLDR; the estimate of how long the truck can power your house must include some considerations not shown on the Intelligent Backup Power screen. Perhaps one very important factor is that one can only read the Intelligent Backup Power screen in the truck when the truck is turned ON. Maybe the numbers don't make sense because the truck is considering its own energy consumption, as well as the power transferred to the house, but not blatantly telling you that it's doing so.
At the start of the test, my truck had been in a garage overnight at 53 deg F but had sat outside at 60 deg F for about 5 hours. The ER battery was charged to 55%. As a result recently of mostly very placid city driving, the DTE was 178 miles. Backup power was set to cut out when my DTE was 47 miles. The charge and miles figures mean that I had 131 kWh in my full-capacity ER battery x 0.55 capacity = 72 kWh left in the truck. But of this 72 kWh, 47 mi range reserve /178 mi total range x 72 kWh left = 19 kWh reserved. 72 kWh - 19 kWh reserved = 53 kWh available for power transfer to house.
Within a few minutes of the power transfer initiating, I turned on the truck and looked at Intelligent Backup Power Sync screen. There was a loud whirring noise for about the first 10 minutes of the truck being turned on (plugged in, Power button pushed while stepping on the brake pedal). I wondered if the coolant heater was turned on. If the truck is in a 60 deg F environment, this usually doesn't happen, but it had been in a 53 deg F garage overnight (see prev. paragraph) and had only sat out a few hours. Backup transfer consumed 0.5 of 9.6 kW available to transfer to my house, but the estimated runtime of power transfer was only FOUR HOURS. A BIG math problem here is 0.5 kW times 4 hours transfer time available = 2 kWh consumed before the truck supposedly runs out, whereas the math of the previous paragraph says I should have 53 kWh, over 26 times as much kWh to consume. The 4-hour runtime estimate was very steady during the first ten minutes of the test while the truck's whirring noise was present.
After a few minutes, the power transfer to the house dropped from 0.5 to between 0.2 to 0.3 kW. I figured the frig had been running and just shut down. After ~10 minutes, the whirring noise stopped, the power consumption by the house continued at 0.2 to 0.3 kW for the next 10' of the test, and the estimated power transfer runtime slowly climbed to 2 days and 20 hours. That's 68 hours of total runtime.
These numbers still don't make sense. 0.3 kW x 68 hours is 20.4 kWh. The available capacity of the battery is 53 kWh. That's 2.6 times more than needed; the estimated runtime purely on power transfer to the house at 0.3 kW hours should be 2.6 times longer.
Well, maybe I didn't take into account about 5 minutes where the frig might have been running, and consumption was, let's say, 0.6 kW. That's 25% of the 20-minute observation period. So, 1/4 of the observation period times 0.6 kW is a 0.15 kW contribution to the average, and 3/4 of the observation period at 0.3 kW is a 0.225 kW contribution, making the average energy consumption rate 0.15 + 0.225 = 0.375 kW. 0.375 kW x 68 hours is ~26 kWh consumption. In contrast, the unrestricted capacity available for power transfer is 53 kWh, ~2x what the Intelligent Backup Power screen says I'm consuming in power transfer to my house.
The truck has to be on to use the Intelligent Backup Power screen. The truck is consuming a lot of power relative to the little energy being transferred to my house in this particular experiment. I think behind the scenes, the truck runtime calculation must be taking the truck's own energy consumption into account. The problem may be that Ford doesn't think it should worry the owner's silly little brain with such considerations, but then, if you take the power transfer numbers at face value, the numbers don't add up, like some numbers you see displayed in FordPass. Ford should provide helpful background hints about what's factored in, as it does for range estimates, or allow more owner drilldown into what's going on in behind-the-scenes calculations. Don't leave owners ignorant of how calculations are done and have them befuddled by figures that, at face value, don't make sense.
TLDR; the estimate of how long the truck can power your house must include some considerations not shown on the Intelligent Backup Power screen. Perhaps one very important factor is that one can only read the Intelligent Backup Power screen in the truck when the truck is turned ON. Maybe the numbers don't make sense because the truck is considering its own energy consumption, as well as the power transferred to the house, but not blatantly telling you that it's doing so.
At the start of the test, my truck had been in a garage overnight at 53 deg F but had sat outside at 60 deg F for about 5 hours. The ER battery was charged to 55%. As a result recently of mostly very placid city driving, the DTE was 178 miles. Backup power was set to cut out when my DTE was 47 miles. The charge and miles figures mean that I had 131 kWh in my full-capacity ER battery x 0.55 capacity = 72 kWh left in the truck. But of this 72 kWh, 47 mi range reserve /178 mi total range x 72 kWh left = 19 kWh reserved. 72 kWh - 19 kWh reserved = 53 kWh available for power transfer to house.
Within a few minutes of the power transfer initiating, I turned on the truck and looked at Intelligent Backup Power Sync screen. There was a loud whirring noise for about the first 10 minutes of the truck being turned on (plugged in, Power button pushed while stepping on the brake pedal). I wondered if the coolant heater was turned on. If the truck is in a 60 deg F environment, this usually doesn't happen, but it had been in a 53 deg F garage overnight (see prev. paragraph) and had only sat out a few hours. Backup transfer consumed 0.5 of 9.6 kW available to transfer to my house, but the estimated runtime of power transfer was only FOUR HOURS. A BIG math problem here is 0.5 kW times 4 hours transfer time available = 2 kWh consumed before the truck supposedly runs out, whereas the math of the previous paragraph says I should have 53 kWh, over 26 times as much kWh to consume. The 4-hour runtime estimate was very steady during the first ten minutes of the test while the truck's whirring noise was present.
After a few minutes, the power transfer to the house dropped from 0.5 to between 0.2 to 0.3 kW. I figured the frig had been running and just shut down. After ~10 minutes, the whirring noise stopped, the power consumption by the house continued at 0.2 to 0.3 kW for the next 10' of the test, and the estimated power transfer runtime slowly climbed to 2 days and 20 hours. That's 68 hours of total runtime.
These numbers still don't make sense. 0.3 kW x 68 hours is 20.4 kWh. The available capacity of the battery is 53 kWh. That's 2.6 times more than needed; the estimated runtime purely on power transfer to the house at 0.3 kW hours should be 2.6 times longer.
Well, maybe I didn't take into account about 5 minutes where the frig might have been running, and consumption was, let's say, 0.6 kW. That's 25% of the 20-minute observation period. So, 1/4 of the observation period times 0.6 kW is a 0.15 kW contribution to the average, and 3/4 of the observation period at 0.3 kW is a 0.225 kW contribution, making the average energy consumption rate 0.15 + 0.225 = 0.375 kW. 0.375 kW x 68 hours is ~26 kWh consumption. In contrast, the unrestricted capacity available for power transfer is 53 kWh, ~2x what the Intelligent Backup Power screen says I'm consuming in power transfer to my house.
The truck has to be on to use the Intelligent Backup Power screen. The truck is consuming a lot of power relative to the little energy being transferred to my house in this particular experiment. I think behind the scenes, the truck runtime calculation must be taking the truck's own energy consumption into account. The problem may be that Ford doesn't think it should worry the owner's silly little brain with such considerations, but then, if you take the power transfer numbers at face value, the numbers don't add up, like some numbers you see displayed in FordPass. Ford should provide helpful background hints about what's factored in, as it does for range estimates, or allow more owner drilldown into what's going on in behind-the-scenes calculations. Don't leave owners ignorant of how calculations are done and have them befuddled by figures that, at face value, don't make sense.