Question to Ford- Why can't you give us 2FA??

[Pelican]

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[Caperjoe]

Found a solution using Ford pass connect- happy with the results.

 

[Blueshound]

My concern is that, sometime in the future, some middle-manager with a responsibility for IT security decided to flip that switch to mandatory as a simple way to protect his own butt, and now the rest of us are saddled with having to constantly "log on" to our own vehicles, regardless of our own personal risk profile. I've seen it happen countless times from the work IT department.

That's not something that I would want to encourage as a standard "feature" on all trucks. There appear to be some aftermarket solutions that might work for you, though.

This. I don't want any solution that requires me to use my "smart" phone to start or use my truck.

 

[Caperjoe]

Then don't use it...

 

[Blueshound]

Then don't use it...

Thankfully I don't have to, since it doesn't exist. I commented specifically to the quoted post, regarding it being made mandatory because of some middle management decision. In my case, as with the quoted post, I have basically zero risk of theft. I want to get in my truck and go, not futz around with my phone.

 

[aaexpert]

Its interesting how its come full circle with car theft and our industry.
As an owner of a car audio/alarm business of 30yrs.... we went from cars with no 'microchip-keys' pre 1990's and installing a bunch of basic alarms., 2000- 2015 hardly ever sold an alarm install. Now we have Smartkeys and the thieves can easily get around it with technology in minutes and sales of alarms are back and way up in recent years. Its not just Ford with this issue (mercedes/chrysler,etc.) and now we are back to installing a variety of new tech versions of 'alarms'.
To be clear, yes anybody can steal a vehicle but adding extra layer(s) of security have proven to deter and prevent the theft in many cases.
Seems like we've come so far in tech. but we are still having to add (after the purchase) paint protections, security, etc. for vehicles that have doubled in price in just a dozen years and you'd think it'd all be resolved/better, especially for the costs.

 

[gb7FRz26]

I wonder what the truck would do if Secure Idle was enabled via FORScan, a replay attack was used to start it and put it in gear, drive off.... no key detected. I bet nothing different until the theif puts it in park.

Maybe when BlueCruise becomes useful, the camera facing the driver will eventually be used like Face ID. Would need a better sensor with laser/depth I guess. Still, another possibility in the realm of technology. "You're not the usual driver. Use the FordPass app to enable Valet mode."

 

[Deleted member 9341]

that would be HORRIBLE. i am not freakin logging in and managing passwords for a freakin truck. I already have 463 passwords I cannot remember.

I’d rather just have it stolen and replaced

 

[hotrodmex]

Found a solution using Ford pass connect- happy with the results.

Willing to share for those curious? Or would that make your solution less secure?

 

[Caperjoe]

Sure...

Two options
Option 1. Use RF blocking pouch to secure your keys and only use the phone to lock and unlock. Remove phone from pouch when starting vehicle then place back into pouch once started.

Option 2. * more secure * Remove battery from fob and only use phone to lock and unlock. Use Ford proceedure for starting vehicle with dead fob battery- place key into acess port under cupholder.

Also use a steering wheel, brake pedal lock or hidden electrical starter disconnect.

 

[GDN]

I'm not sure just how much Ford sends back to the Mothership on a daily basis through the cloud, but my gut tells me there is some sort of connected feedback on a daily basis. They need some incredibly talented network and security folks to keep all of that connectivity safe.

Many don't like the comparison's and I'm sorry, but there are very very few Tesla's stolen. First, it is hard. Second, everything about that car at all times is sent back to the mothership - that is what I know many people won't care for in the truck world. However, it prevents them from being stolen without having your hands on the physical keys.

The newer 3/Y's do not come with a fob nor key. It is a key card using NFC technology. You can use that to set up your bluetooth phone. Once in the car you can have a 4 digit pin code (been this way for close to 2 years) without that you get nothing. You don't have to activate the pin code, that is up to each user.

No system is perfect and we won't all be happy with what is chosen, but it is way beyond time that vehicle theft as we know it today be put behind us and the technology required in an EV (and likely the ICE/hybrid versions) is there for it to happen.

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