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Ford did not solve my problem, but the tech found that Ford was aware of the problem and that a fix obtained through the dealers should be available in the "next couple of weeks". Nowhere is this published and Ford could at least notify us that they are working on a fix.
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If @Fordmotorcompany doesn't come up with a fix for this OTA failure soon. I'm going to take on the problem myself, turn on the truck, open the rear slider, in settings hit about sync, press tailgate release. Jump in the bed of the truck with my favorite shotgun and fire directly through the back window. I think double OO should get it done efficiently, but if anyone can suggest a better round, I'd like to hear your ideas.
 
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If @Fordmotorcompany doesn't come up with a fix for this OTA failure soon. I'm going to take on the problem myself, turn on the truck, open the rear slider, in settings hit about sync, press tailgate release. Jump in the bed of the truck with my favorite shotgun and fire directly through the back window. I think double OO should get it done efficiently, but if anyone can suggest a better round, I'd like to hear your ideas.
My truck just said OUCH!
I am thinking what Ford needs to do is hire a few of the Forscan Geniuses that are around so they can fix what Ford can not!
 

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Because Ford is an automotive company that relies on automotive techs to deal with software issues that they aren’t nearly well trained enough to deal with.
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You can see this problem clearly in the failed BlueCruise roll out for Job 1 trucks and in how long these issues take to fix. None of these issues should take months to identify, diagnose and develop a fix for if Ford was properly setup to deal with them. You don’t see issues like this when Apple or Microsoft release a bad piece of software. Their fixes are rolled out within a few weeks with high priority because the are setup to deal with them and the prioritize the user experience that is affected by software performance.

What Ford needs is to properly invest in tech support at the customer contact level. Have software specialists available both at call centers and dealers who can properly interpret a customers complaint, diagnose and report and issue and troubleshoot issues when they go wrong. Your dealer tech might know how to walk through the steps in FDRS, but do they really understand what they’re doing when it comes to tech? No. They don’t know that the software update for module B relies on module A to be updated first.

This is why we are seeing so many issues in the field, ones that are being diagnosed and fixed by people like Iceman77 when the dealer techs simply give up after failing.
These guys from Apple and Tesla can be bought. Tesla has been doing it right for 10 years. Farley is going to need to put his money where his mouth is. Failed SW deployments can't happen when you get to fleets of hundreds of thousands. They need to get this right now.

The brain trust in WV isn't helping either. Once again the dealers are trying to protect their well lined pockets and prevent over the air updates from the Mothership completely without the dealers being involved. The dealers don't want our vehicles to improve with time or be fixed without them. However, the Mothership provides the software, they should be able to improve it and fix it.

https://motorexplain.com/auto-indus...ia-law-that-could-limit-over-the-air-updates/
 
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My truck just said OUCH!
I am thinking what Ford needs to do is hire a few of the Forscan Geniuses that are around so they can fix what Ford can not!
I saw @ford sent you a bla bla,,, vin and dealer. Did you get anywhere with them? They sent me an invite as well and all it produced was a case number and an eventual call back telling me they know about the problem and would call me when a fix becomes available at the dealer. By the way love you're black cat, my cat looks just like him!
 

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These guys from Apple and Tesla can be bought. Tesla has been doing it right for 10 years. Farley is going to need to put his money where his mouth is. Failed SW deployments can't happen when you get to fleets of hundreds of thousands. They need to get this right now.

The brain trust in WV isn't helping either. Once again the dealers are trying to protect their well lined pockets and prevent over the air updates from the Mothership completely without the dealers being involved. The dealers don't want our vehicles to improve with time or be fixed without them. However, the Mothership provides the software, they should be able to improve it and fix it.

https://motorexplain.com/auto-indus...ia-law-that-could-limit-over-the-air-updates/
I agree with you 100 percent. And the problem is these dealers employ some great mechanics but there not software engineers, and I find it hard to believe that they fully understand the complexity of the systems there working with. That's why if the update doesn't go down correctly using FDRS there lost and start throwing parts at the truck hoping something will make it run again. Not a way to do business! Why the dealers would even want this work I don't know. Imagine if every Iphone owner had to go back to the brick and motor store for updates. Ford dealers should be required to have on staff a highly qualified person that has the brain to deal with this. Not just anybody in the shop who knows how to turn on a laptop and passes a test. Also since we've paid to have these updates, Ford should offer alternative methods of install. Not every truck can be parked in a position we're it will have quality wifi access or even cellular for that matter. Since the truck can report its status to the Mothership version info will eventually be reported back and then readied for the next update. We should be able login on a PC and create a usb stick based on VIN and install when it's convenient. We should also be able to revert back from failed corrupted OTA update attempts, clear the cache and be able to try again. Yes and Ford needs to get there shit together with this, if any tech company rolls out a bad update they make it a number 1 priority to release a fix, why Ford has allowed this to fester for four months is beyond me. I think Ford could resolve this via. OTA but now doesn't care to. I dread the thought of having to bring my truck to the dealer and trust they can load some software correctly. This is all not right!
 

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I don't disagree with the concepts, but if Ford corporate/engineers are getting it right, you really don't need a lot of this support at the dealer. It won't fail, it won't need a lot of hands on, it will install and just work. If it written and tested then fails, it is likely a rare hardware failure of some sort. The shop mechanic will need to be able to troubleshoot the failure and replace a part.

I've had 2 Tesla's for almost 4 years. The updates don't fail. If they get something wrong, there'll be another update the next day or two. I will note that Tesla likely sends more updates than a typical Ford owner might like, but over the 4 years they have added and given me a ton of functionality that the cars didn't have the day I bought them.

I have a 3rd party service that tracks access to the car through an API. Below is a partial list of the most recent SW updates I've received. The point here is that Ford can do much better than what I'm seeing and hearing folks complain about. Push the SW, let it download and the owner can decide when to install. Most don't take more than 25 minutes and can be done overnight. Almost everyone has access to a wifi point somewhere, even the hotspot from a phone. If you don't - with Tesla when you pull up to a Service Center your car will connect to their wifi. It'll download there. USB could be a backup possibly, but Tesla won't package it that way.

My point here isn't necessarily to say Ford needs to do it like Tesla, but to at least say they can up their game. Every 60 days get a release out, push it to everyone. When it comes time for Blue Cruise - you need me to believe it takes 7 freaking updates? Maybe a map update and a major SW update, but 7. Ford do Ford, just do it and make it happen.
 
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I saw @ford sent you a bla bla,,, vin and dealer. Did you get anywhere with them? They sent me an invite as well and all it produced was a case number and an eventual call back telling me they know about the problem and would call me when a fix becomes available at the dealer. By the way love you're black cat, my cat looks just like him!
Only got the "case number" and the dealer had no idea what I was talking about. He just said, "Maybe Ford does not have any updates." That is all I got out of it. No calls.
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This all started in mid December, I called Ford and received a case number on 2/12/22 . I received a call back from Ford on 2/14 and was told the fix should be ready In a couple of weeks. Since I haven't heard back from them I called today 2/28 and was told they will call me, but still not ready yet with the fix. 1 or 2 more weeks...
At this point maybe our trucks will be fixed by summer time. Lol
 

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No help from Ford and still no dealer locally that has a solution as of 3/26/22. Agree Ford could at least tell us they are working on problem. I will think carefully when looking for next truck.
 

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No help from Ford and still no dealer locally that has a solution as of 3/26/22. Agree Ford could at least tell us they are working on problem. I will think carefully when looking for next truck.
Ford sent me the email in copy below, call your dealership and reference the TSB as in the email. Hopefully that will lead them in the right direction to fix your truck. Good luck, I have an appointment with my dealer on April 7th I'll post my results when I get it back.


Good afternoon,

The Ford engineers have advised that a fix for your Ford Power-Up failure for 1.7.1 has been released. Please make an appointment with your dealership, referencing TSB 22-2117. They will know where to find this information.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

For any separate concerns, please contact our Customer Relationship Center:
Ford US - 800-392-3673
Contact Us | Ford® Customer Service, Help & Live Chat | Ford.com

Regards,

Ford Motor Company ®
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No help from Ford and still no dealer locally that has a solution as of 3/26/22. Agree Ford could at least tell us they are working on problem. I will think carefully when looking for next truck.
Hello, Don!
Send us a private message with your VIN and the name and location of your local Ford dealer.
I’d be happy to see what I can do to assist with this update concern on yout F-150. Thanks!
 
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Went to my dealer today with update error information since the last time I asked they had no idea about what I was talking about. But today it was much better. I am scheduled to have the "fix" done on Tuesday, April 5th. Hope all goes well.
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