Distribution of 80-AMP Ford Charge Station Pro (Home Charging Station)

[yed19]

I talked to a Ford rep at the San Antonio event last week. They had a video showing conduit connecting to the CSP. It looked like 3/4” and with two conduits (one for A/C “in” and the other for DC “our” for the HIS) connected via knock-outs on either lower side of CSP.

Question: Did they show anyone it actually working to charge or function like the HIS is suposed to? I ask this as there is no video out there of the system actually performing as functioned? or a demo of it, right? If thats the case, maybe the conduit was just for show...

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[Maquis]

Thanks! That confirms my thoughts, and my contractors advice, to have a separate conduit for the DC return. Do you have any sources that could advise the required conductor size for the DC?

We really need to see the specs, but 9.6 KW at 400 VDC equates to 23 A. But since the 9.6 should be the delivered AC, inverter losses means it will be a bit more than that…maybe another 10% or so.

Correction: Specs for the HIS state that an EV voltage as low as 290 is acceptable. That makes the maximum current about 36 A DC. #8 copper wire would then be the minimum size.

 

[Firestop]

We really need to see the specs, but 9.6 KW at 400 VDC equates to 23 A. But since the 9.6 should be the delivered AC, inverter losses means it will be a bit more than that…maybe another 10% or so.

I got nowhere getting any HIS-related install info with SunRun, so this afternoon I called the manufacturer Delta directly…they were very helpful. The support person I talked to confirmed the need for two #8 conductors on the DC return from the EVSE (Charge Station Pro)…finally, an answer! The rep from Delta encouraged that self-installers and installing contractors contact them directly with any technical and/or installation questions.

From their BDI Technical Sheet:

Delta Electronics (Americas), Ltd.
46101 Fremont Blvd, Fremont, CA 94538

Sales Email: [email protected]
Support Email: [email protected]
Sales Hotline: +1-877-440-5851 or +1-626-369-8021
Support Hotline: +1-877-442-4832
Support (Intl.): +1-626-369-8019
Monday to Friday from 6am to 6pm PST (apart from Holidays)

www.Delta-Americas.com

 

[PV2EV]

I agree it initially will, but upon future upgrade to the HIS, I do believe the AC conductors would be relocated from the House Panel to the HIS since the HIS contains the Automatic Transfer Switch.

I assumed both came from the HIS per teh lightwieght schematic from Delta. What would be great is if it passed DC from solar panels to the truck directly...

 

[adoublee]

I got nowhere getting any HIS-related install info with SunRun, so this afternoon I called the manufacturer Delta directly…they were very helpful. The support person I talked to confirmed the need for two #8 conductors on the DC return from the EVSE (Charge Station Pro)…finally, an answer! The rep from Delta encouraged that self-installers and installing contractors contact them directly with any technical and/or installation questions.

From their BDI Technical Sheet:

Delta Electronics (Americas), Ltd.
46101 Fremont Blvd, Fremont, CA 94538

Sales Email: [email protected]
Support Email: [email protected]
Sales Hotline: +1-877-440-5851 or +1-626-369-8021
Support Hotline: +1-877-442-4832
Support (Intl.): +1-626-369-8019
Monday to Friday from 6am to 6pm PST (apart from Holidays)

www.Delta-Americas.com

How about help with direct and timely purchase of the HIS?

 

[adoublee]

I assumed both came from the HIS per teh lightwieght schematic from Delta. What would be great is if it passed DC from solar panels to the truck directly...

It can, via a couple DC-DC converters to match the solar maximum power point voltage to the EV charging voltage. Assuming it is not locked out by software that is.

 

[Firestop]

How about help with direct and timely purchase of the HIS?

I expect that will need to be a conversation between Ford and it’s partner SunRun about how Ford would like it’s customers that live outside SunRun’s service area treated. We all should be on an equal footing….and, expect Ford is the only one that could influence SunRun to do that……

 

[Maquis]

I got nowhere getting any HIS-related install info with SunRun, so this afternoon I called the manufacturer Delta directly…they were very helpful. The support person I talked to confirmed the need for two #8 conductors on the DC return from the EVSE (Charge Station Pro)…finally, an answer! The rep from Delta encouraged that self-installers and installing contractors contact them directly with any technical and/or installation questions.

From their BDI Technical Sheet:

Delta Electronics (Americas), Ltd.
46101 Fremont Blvd, Fremont, CA 94538

Sales Email: [email protected]
Support Email: [email protected]
Sales Hotline: +1-877-440-5851 or +1-626-369-8021
Support Hotline: +1-877-442-4832
Support (Intl.): +1-626-369-8019
Monday to Friday from 6am to 6pm PST (apart from Holidays)

www.Delta-Americas.com

Thanks…I corrected my post #92 with additional information.

 

[Firestop]

Thanks…I corrected my post #92 with additional information.

Welcome…the Support Rep also said the Amps on the DC side was 36.7 in his book…

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[Maquis]

Welcome…the Support Rep also said the Amps on the DC side was 36.7 in his book…

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While it’s almost impossible for the current to be that high with the Lightning’s 400V architecture, the wiring needs to be capable of worst-case.

 

[F150LER]

If I do a small solar install, do I need an another in inverter or will the HIS handle that?

 

[adoublee]

If I do a small solar install, do I need an another in inverter or will the HIS handle that?

How small? You want at least 4-5 panels to build enough voltage for the solar input start-up. From there you need to use APS or Toigo devices for rapid shutdown to isolate voltage at panels. This apparently requires a rapid shutdown transmitter option be bought with HIS inverter. With all that, yes it is a solar inverter.

 

[F150LER]

How small? You want at least 4-5 panels to build enough voltage for the solar input start-up. From there you need to use APS or Toigo devices for rapid shutdown to isolate voltage at panels. This apparently requires a rapid shutdown transmitter option be bought with HIS inverter. With all that, yes it is a solar inverter.

Got it. How big could I go on the HIS? I want to go Solar so trying to figure out if this makes sense if you also use it as Solar inverter.

 

[adoublee]

Got it. How big could I go on the HIS? I want to go Solar so trying to figure out if this makes sense if you also use it as Solar inverter.

Rule of thumb might be 12kW of panels based on 125% of inverter ability to convert 9.6kW to AC for home/grid. You might reasonably go up from that if a connected battery is available to charge during the day. Going up you would need to respect rules of up to 4x12A of input current, cold weather adjusted cap of 480V per string. That adds up to just over a theoretical 23kW of actual solar power (no other solar input power cap listed) but you will never get up that high on voltage and get that exact peak current. It is essentially 4 strings of panels, with max number of panels you can include dependant on panel details and how cold your location gets.

 

[blpublic]

Question: Did they show anyone it actually working to charge or function like the HIS is suposed to? I ask this as there is no video out there of the system actually performing as functioned? or a demo of it, right? If thats the case, maybe the conduit was just for show...

You could not tell from the video if it was real, and the dummy unit in San Antonio was not functional.

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