Federal administration proposes new rules for EV charging stations

[MAhauler]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-charging-stations-every-50-miles/7561566001/

These are rules for obtaining federal subsidies to build new charging stations. Here are some of the big takeaways.

1. Chargers must be at 1 mile, or less, from a highway
2. No closed networks. Tesla would have to create chargers for everyone to qualify.
3. No App requirements allowed. Chargers, built with subsidies, will operate more like a gas pump. You don’t need an app to pay and you don’t need a subscription.
4. At least 4 DC fast chargers per station.
5. Mandates chargers every 50 miles along highway

Took this from sister site Macheforum.com

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[Beans]

I sure hope they get moving on this. Almost no L3 infrastructure in Wisconsin.

 

[sotek2345]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-charging-stations-every-50-miles/7561566001/

These are rules for obtaining federal subsidies to build new charging stations. Here are some of the big takeaways.

1. Chargers must be at 1 mile, or less, from a highway
2. No closed networks. Tesla would have to create chargers for everyone to qualify.
3. No App requirements allowed. Chargers, built with subsidies, will operate more like a gas pump. You don’t need an app to pay and you don’t need a subscription.
4. At least 4 DC fast chargers per station.
5. Mandates chargers every 50 miles along highway

Took this from sister site Macheforum.com

Seem like pretty good rules to me!

 

[Yellow Buddy]

No charging speed requirements?

 

[beatle]

How about something in there about uptime?

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-charging-reliability-broken-stations-ev-2022-5

Also, 4 chargers per station is really too few if there will really be loads more CCS capable vehicles out there in the next few years. They should really do at least 8. This would also help mitigate reliability issues (assuming they don't just let 2+ chargers fail before sending someone out.

It wouldn't be so bad to have a station every 75-100 miles if you have enough chargers and keep them working. This would also probably be cheaper and faster to implement. It is rare for an EV car to have under 200 miles of range, so road tripping would still not be an issue.

 

[Peter_F]

I sure hope they get moving on this. Almost no L3 infrastructure in Wisconsin.

I second that.

We almost got stranded between Dubuque and Madison in the Mach-E on our way back from CA.

We had 4 miles left when we got to Alliant Energy Headquarters and their 50KW charger.

It gets very cold in the cabin when the heater is off and it’s 34F outside

 

[wheelz2000]

How about something in there about uptime?

https://www.businessinsider.com/electric-car-charging-reliability-broken-stations-ev-2022-5

Also, 4 chargers per station is really too few if there will really be loads more CCS capable vehicles out there in the next few years. They should really do at least 8. This would also help mitigate reliability issues (assuming they don't just let 2+ chargers fail before sending someone out.

It wouldn't be so bad to have a station every 75-100 miles if you have enough chargers and keep them working. This would also probably be cheaper and faster to implement. It is rare for an EV car to have under 200 miles of range, so road tripping would still not be an issue.

I agree. The nation is just not there yet...but someday it will....and hopefully it doesn't take high ridiculously high gas prices to make it happen.

 

[vandy1981]

I sure hope they get moving on this. Almost no L3 infrastructure in Wisconsin.

It's a desert North of Madison/Milwaukee with the exception of a few 25kW chargers at car dealerships. It has made it hard to visit family in Northern WI in my current EV.

EA is scheduled to to build stations in Wausau and Green Bay so it'll get better very soon.

 

[MickeyAO]

I sure hope they get moving on this. Almost no L3 infrastructure in Wisconsin.

L3 specifications do not exist yet...I'm assuming you are referring to DCFC L1 or L2 (DCFC L3 also does not exist yet).

 

[vandy1981]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-charging-stations-every-50-miles/7561566001/

These are rules for obtaining federal subsidies to build new charging stations. Here are some of the big takeaways.

1. Chargers must be at 1 mile, or less, from a highway
2. No closed networks. Tesla would have to create chargers for everyone to qualify.
3. No App requirements allowed. Chargers, built with subsidies, will operate more like a gas pump. You don’t need an app to pay and you don’t need a subscription.
4. At least 4 DC fast chargers per station.
5. Mandates chargers every 50 miles along highway

Took this from sister site Macheforum.com

Love these rules!

 

[vandy1981]

L3 specifications do not exist yet...I'm assuming you are referring to DCFC L1 or L2 (DCFC L3 also does not exist yet).

I think the battle's been lost on that terminology

 

[Beans]

L3 specifications do not exist yet...I'm assuming you are referring to DCFC L1 or L2 (DCFC L3 also does not exist yet).

yes, I assumed DC was L3. More DC charger above 50 kW would be very nice.

 

[Peter_F]

I agree. The nation is just not there yet...but someday it will....and hopefully it doesn't take high ridiculously high gas prices to make it happen.

Actually I feel that the infrastructure is there for the major highways. We had no issues driving from Madison, WI to San Diego. Great charging all the way.

Only on the way back did we run into a bit of trouble at the very end, because we “couldn’t” charge to more than 80% at EA.

 

[MickeyAO]

I think the battle's been lost on that terminology

The battle will only heat up with the coming SAE 240 V specifications for L3 (due in the next year or two)
As someone that plays in this area on a day-to-day basis, I want to make sure everyone knows (if not uses) the proper terminology. There is no L3 on the 240 V or the DCFC at this time.

I myself used to use the term L3 for DCFC at one time, but I cannot now to maintain credibility in this segment of the industry.

 

[jerock]

The rules would require government-funded EV charging stations use DC Fast Chargers and have at least four ports capable of simultaneously charging four EVs and each must be at or above 150 kW.

https://translogistics.net/2022/06/...ions from requiring a memberships to use them.

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