Is 320 miles on ER possible? Not seeing it in the math...

[Gflaming]

320 mile EPA range for ER / 131 kWh pack = 2.44 mi/kWh efficiency needed to get to 320 mile range

With 1-pedal in use 100% of the time I personally haven't seen anything over 2.2 mi/kWh with mixed hwy/city driving and hwy speeds of 70-75. Average over 700 total miles is 1.9, but I'm regularly getting 2.0+ now. From the forum it would seem 2.0 is "normal" for the early reporters. Early on there was definitely some "fun pedal" moments, but at this point it's just being driven normally.

2.0 - 2.2 produces a range of 262 - 288.2. Pretty significant reduction from EPA.

What's everyone else seeing? Is this climbing over time as more miles are added?

I’m new to the forum. I found a thread stating that the 2023 lighting order bank will open on August 10. I had registered in august 2021 so I’m hopeful to get the email from Ford.
Im wondering if any new f150 lightning owners have taken the truck on a road trip. The ford dealer discouraged me from doing so. He said that they had driven one and had difficulty finding plug ins. They also spent too much time at the plug to make it reasonable. I would love to take it cross country but this wouldn’t be good news. If so do I buy it for only local use???? Thanks for any insight you can give

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[hturnerfamily]

of course your 'dealer' is certainly not fond of EVs, or doesn't 'want' to get to know them - Teslas drive cross-country all the time, and while they have a little more luxury in having Elon's Superchargers along the way, the other Charging infrastructure for the rest of us is starting to come along - you CAN do it if you really want to.

Now, does that mean that right now it's as 'easy' as taking a gas vehicle cross-country? no.

But, if you want to be somewhat of a champion and 'early' adopter of mass EV usage, you have to try to use the truck whenever and wherever anyone else does - you'll just have to do it differently.

Charge station options are not the same as gas stations. Yes, you can find charge options when you really want to, but you'll also have to realize that you may have to get 'creative' in finding them, at least for the near future. Maybe soon one of the 'big' gas station owner corporations, like Shell or BP, will start to incorporate them into many of the interstate pathway, which is the obvious starting point. They'll eventually even move into more 'destination' locations, metro areas, and even smaller cities.

 

[Firestop]

I’m new to the forum. I found a thread stating that the 2023 lighting order bank will open on August 10. I had registered in august 2021 so I’m hopeful to get the email from Ford.
Im wondering if any new f150 lightning owners have taken the truck on a road trip. The ford dealer discouraged me from doing so. He said that they had driven one and had difficulty finding plug ins. They also spent too much time at the plug to make it reasonable. I would love to take it cross country but this wouldn’t be good news. If so do I buy it for only local use???? Thanks for any insight you can give

There is a lot of information on these threads..

https://www.f150lightningforum.com/forum/forums/trip-reports-journals-logs.114/

 

[cvalue13]

I’m new to the forum. I found a thread stating that the 2023 lighting order bank will open on August 10. I had registered in august 2021 so I’m hopeful to get the email from Ford.
Im wondering if any new f150 lightning owners have taken the truck on a road trip. The ford dealer discouraged me from doing so. He said that they had driven one and had difficulty finding plug ins. They also spent too much time at the plug to make it reasonable. I would love to take it cross country but this wouldn’t be good news. If so do I buy it for only local use???? Thanks for any insight you can give

Curious where you live, area-wise
Your “dealer” is confusing whether it can be done (totally can) with whether you can do it without any forethought or planning on a whim, like your dealer does in their ICE

 

[FlasherZ]

I'm averaging 2.0-2.2, but I drive with no regrets.

 

[Avocadodude]

The good news for you is that jackrabbit starts don't really impact efficiency for EVs like they do for ICE vehicles. It is all about sustained speed.

I’m going to tell my wife this. My foot has definitely gotten heavier taking off. It’s just too much fun.

 

[ChrisCon]

After 6300 miles and 2 months of driving, my trip computer says 2.4 miles per kWh. I make no attempts to conserve power by driving slowly. My highway miles are always blue cruise at 79mph locked and I'm driving in sport mode at least half of the time around town.

My wife hates it (my driving, not the truck) , my two boys (9 and 11) think it's awesome. so 131kwh x 2.4 = 314.4. So if I drove like a normal human being, I'd easily be able to get 330

For the road trip question-
I did a 400 mile road trip recently, and just hit electrify America stations, with 0.0 issues and was only DC fast charging for the first three weeks until my (semi functional) CSP arrived.

 

[Avocadodude]

My wife hates it (my driving, not the truck) , my two boys (9 and 11) think it's awesome. so 131kwh x 2.4 = 314.4. So if I drove like a normal human being, I'd easily be able to get 330

Not to derail on the range topic… the funny thing is my wife hates my driving too, but drives her Tesla the same way. I told her I’d get her back when I got my truck and now it’s payback time

 

[Gflaming]

of course your 'dealer' is certainly not fond of EVs, or doesn't 'want' to get to know them - Teslas drive cross-country all the time, and while they have a little more luxury in having Elon's Superchargers along the way, the other Charging infrastructure for the rest of us is starting to come along - you CAN do it if you really want to.

Now, does that mean that right now it's as 'easy' as taking a gas vehicle cross-country? no.

But, if you want to be somewhat of a champion and 'early' adopter of mass EV usage, you have to try to use the truck whenever and wherever anyone else does - you'll just have to do it differently.

Charge station options are not the same as gas stations. Yes, you can find charge options when you really want to, but you'll also have to realize that you may have to get 'creative' in finding them, at least for the near future. Maybe soon one of the 'big' gas station owner corporations, like Shell or BP, will start to incorporate them into many of the interstate pathway, which is the obvious starting point. They'll eventually even move into more 'destination' locations, metro areas, and even smaller cities.

Thanks for responding. My budget will probably force me into a Pro (I can’t add the ER battery), or an XLT without ER (since ford decided to bundle it w upgrades to take it out of my price range)! Both scenarios make me mad. A truck w basic battery is 230 Mile range max??? Have any of you taken trips w a basic battery? Does it get the full mileage? I’m guessing even more planning is required

 

[Texas Dan]

Tony Williams generated the range chart for the 60kWh Nissan Leaf below;

This chart has some excellent information on it for predicting EV range. Even though I have never owned a 60kWh Nissan Leaf, I have used this chart many, many times for predicting my EV range on long trips. There are also similar charts for Tesla models.

We really need for someone to produce this kind of chart for the F150L (any takers?). But until someone does this is all we have. Even though there is a great difference between the Nissan Leaf and the F150L, it should still be possible to extrapolate this information for the F150L.

For example, let's look at the basic premise of this thread, can the F150L get 320 miles out of a single charge? The 62 kWh Leaf has a rated range of 226 miles. Based on the chart, a 62 kWh Leaf would have to maintain a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 226 miles of range at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F.

Since the F150L EPA range is supposed to be based on the same testing methodology, we can assume that a F150L would also have to travel at a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 320-mile range, at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F. From the chart we can see that at 75 mph the range would decrease by 18%, so the F150L traveling at 75 mph would only have a range of 262 miles.

Conversely, if we absolutely had to travel 400 miles to the next charging stop, the range would have to increase by 25%. The chart shows that range of the F150L can be increased by 25%, giving it a 400-mile, range by travelling at 50 mph. I know this is not an exact science, but extrapolation does work and there is a lot of other good information in the chart you can extrapolate, like the effects of elevation changes and temperature differences.

One important note about temperature, battery temperature has a big impact on how much the charge the battery can accept but not does not have a big impact on miles/kWh. Miles/kWh is greatly impacted by the denser air at colder temperatures. An EV with a warm battery driven during cold outside air temperatures will still experience low miles/kWh numbers because the EV has to push through cold, dense air.

I hope you find this chart as useful on your long EV trips as I have and please provide a link to a similar F150L chart if you find one.

 

[Texas Dan]

I’m new to the forum. I found a thread stating that the 2023 lighting order bank will open on August 10. I had registered in august 2021 so I’m hopeful to get the email from Ford.
Im wondering if any new f150 lightning owners have taken the truck on a road trip. The ford dealer discouraged me from doing so. He said that they had driven one and had difficulty finding plug ins. They also spent too much time at the plug to make it reasonable. I would love to take it cross country but this wouldn’t be good news. If so do I buy it for only local use???? Thanks for any insight you can give

The Fast Lane Truck just drove a F150L from Michigan to the Arctic Ocean in northern Alaska.,

.

I find long distance by EV rewarding and a real adventure. It sounds like your dealer has a real bias against EVs and is trying to talk you into an ICE he has sitting on the lot.

BTW if you placed your reservation in August 2021, you can forget delivery in 2023. I placed my reservation on May 29 and I'm not expecting to take delivery in 2023.

 

[Roy2001]

Very good analysis!

Tony Williams generated the range chart for the 60kWh Nissan Leaf below;

This chart has some excellent information on it for predicting EV range. Even though I have never owned a 60kWh Nissan Leaf, I have used this chart many, many times for predicting my EV range on long trips. There are also similar charts for Tesla models.

We really need for someone to produce this kind of chart for the F150L (any takers?). But until someone does this is all we have. Even though there is a great difference between the Nissan Leaf and the F150L, it should still be possible to extrapolate this information for the F150L.

For example, let's look at the basic premise of this thread, can the F150L get 320 miles out of a single charge? The 62 kWh Leaf has a rated range of 226 miles. Based on the chart, a 62 kWh Leaf would have to maintain a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 226 miles of range at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F.

Since the F150L EPA range is supposed to be based on the same testing methodology, we can assume that a F150L would also have to travel at a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 320-mile range, at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F. From the chart we can see that at 75 mph the range would decrease by 18%, so the F150L traveling at 75 mph would only have a range of 262 miles.

Conversely, if we absolutely had to travel 400 miles to the next charging stop, the range would have to increase by 25%. The chart shows that range of the F150L can be increased by 25%, giving it a 400-mile, range by travelling at 50 mph. I know this is not an exact science, but extrapolation does work and there is a lot of other good information in the chart you can extrapolate, like the effects of elevation changes and temperature differences.

One important note about temperature, battery temperature has a big impact on how much the charge the battery can accept but not does not have a big impact on miles/kWh. Miles/kWh is greatly impacted by the denser air at colder temperatures. An EV with a warm battery driven during cold outside air temperatures will still experience low miles/kWh numbers because the EV has to push through cold, dense air.

I hope you find this chart as useful on your long EV trips as I have and please provide a link to a similar F150L chart if you find one.

 

[LightningShow]

I did my first commute in mixed driving this morning. It’s 20 miles with about 50/50 highway/surface roads. 65mph highway avg, 35-40mph surface average. Efficiency was 2.8. There’s some elevation gain, too, it might be a little better on the reverse commute.

EDIT: to add…my recently sold Bolt would get about 13% above EPA combined range on this commute. The Lightning got about 15% over EPA combined on the first leg. I’ll have to see how it develops over time but on first cut it handles the commute in a similar way to the Bolt with respect to efficiency.

 

[Gflaming]

Tony Williams generated the range chart for the 60kWh Nissan Leaf below;

This chart has some excellent information on it for predicting EV range. Even though I have never owned a 60kWh Nissan Leaf, I have used this chart many, many times for predicting my EV range on long trips. There are also similar charts for Tesla models.

We really need for someone to produce this kind of chart for the F150L (any takers?). But until someone does this is all we have. Even though there is a great difference between the Nissan Leaf and the F150L, it should still be possible to extrapolate this information for the F150L.

For example, let's look at the basic premise of this thread, can the F150L get 320 miles out of a single charge? The 62 kWh Leaf has a rated range of 226 miles. Based on the chart, a 62 kWh Leaf would have to maintain a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 226 miles of range at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F.

Since the F150L EPA range is supposed to be based on the same testing methodology, we can assume that a F150L would also have to travel at a continuous speed of 63 mph to achieve 320-mile range, at sea level, with no wind and an outside temperature of 70 degrees F. From the chart we can see that at 75 mph the range would decrease by 18%, so the F150L traveling at 75 mph would only have a range of 262 miles.

Conversely, if we absolutely had to travel 400 miles to the next charging stop, the range would have to increase by 25%. The chart shows that range of the F150L can be increased by 25%, giving it a 400-mile, range by travelling at 50 mph. I know this is not an exact science, but extrapolation does work and there is a lot of other good information in the chart you can extrapolate, like the effects of elevation changes and temperature differences.

One important note about temperature, battery temperature has a big impact on how much the charge the battery can accept but not does not have a big impact on miles/kWh. Miles/kWh is greatly impacted by the denser air at colder temperatures. An EV with a warm battery driven during cold outside air temperatures will still experience low miles/kWh numbers because the EV has to push through cold, dense air.

I hope you find this chart as useful on your long EV trips as I have and please provide a link to a similar F150L chart if you find one.

Im dense. But can you extrapolate on how to convert this info to the base battery? Im not a numbers guy. Thanks

 

[hturnerfamily]

this bolsters the fact that while we can assume certain miles per kwh, there are SO MANY FACTORS that will either increase those miles, or decrease those miles: wind, temps, hills and mountains, and most certainly SPEED.
if you expect the EPA range estimates to be based on driving 5 to 10 miles above the speed limit on 70 to 80mph interstates, you'd be expecting more than you should. You're not going to see 320 miles on and ER Lariat driving like that. You will if you drive 55.

No matter what vehicle you drive, the SPEED and the elements are going to dictate the range.

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