Is 320 miles on ER possible? Not seeing it in the math...

[F150ROD]

2.3 is impressive. I have about 3k miles on and average 2.0 in my 35 mile commute, half at 65 and half at 75 mph. Always at least one pedal stomp to make me smile.

My morning drive it the most efficient 2.5-3.1 mainly because I am going downhill for half the drive and on the way back it’s mostly up hill but at slower speeds because of traffic. Overall I am very happy as I have traded off a $900 gas bill for roughly $300 in electricity. Not bad.

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[cvalue13]

Then..just wait for winter. We'll get comparisons of New England to Florida.

Being in central Texas, I’ll be interested to see what swing results from a daily high of 100+ in summer to 55+ in “winter”

Sure, we’ll get a few weeks of colder daytime temps, but for the most part this Texas truck will stay pretty warm compared to our northern brothers and sisters

 

[metroshot]

Then..just wait for winter. We'll get comparisons of New England to Florida.

I don't think its unreal that we will see a range of 1.5mi al the way to 3.0mi/Kw depending upon situation. That would be non-towing. Towing or heavy loads would add a whole new dimension...

Oh yes, big time!

Cold weather is amazing at reducing range that people will start to complain, whine, threaten lawsuits against manufacturers, challenging dealers to check their battery capacity, warranty claims, etc...

I have heard it all - past 4 years being a forum moderator on a different EV/PHEV/FCV forum.

Lucky for me, I am in the "Florida" group and never have a range decrease in the winter because we don't get winters in the hot desert southern California...

 

[2wheeltraveler]

Lot's of great info here, thanks for sharing all the stats! Definitely understand the tax that AC/Heat/Hwy speed, etc all play on the range, was just surprised that from pickup to now, I've never seen a range estimate > 300 and a lot of what people have reported. It's great to see some of the higher numbers here too.

Does anyone have a link to, or know how, the EPA tests these for range? I'm just curious what parameters they used so I can compare that to my real world driving characteristics.

 

[sotek2345]

Lot's of great info here, thanks for sharing all the stats! Definitely understand the tax that AC/Heat/Hwy speed, etc all play on the range, was just surprised that from pickup to now, I've never seen a range estimate > 300 and a lot of what people have reported. It's great to see some of the higher numbers here too.

Does anyone have a link to, or know how, the EPA tests these for range? I'm just curious what parameters they used so I can compare that to my real world driving characteristics.

https://www.epa.gov/vehicle-and-fuel-emissions-testing/dynamometer-drive-schedules

 

[VTbuckeye]

I would bet we see below 1mi/kWhr in the Northern states if you go for a short drive and don't precondition. I have gotten down to 1.4 in our Mach-e (goes back up to ~2.2 on longer drives in the cold once it gets warmed up).

After Chevy agreed to buyback our 19 bolt I spent the next 5 months with it driving like a stole it (up to speed limit+5ish). When it was low teens to single digits I could get to consumption down to 1.3 ir 1.4 miles per kWh but any steady speeds brought it back up to the low 2s. I also went through 2/32 front tire tread in a few thousand miles (a bit ice on the uphill driveway plus WOT leads to less rubber on the tire and significant amounts of black rubber powder mixed with snow). For comparison in late spring/summer/ early fall we could drive conservatively and get between 4.9 and 5.2 miles per kWh.

 

[RidetheLightning]

To answer OP’s question, absolutely! Dude on FB posted a screenshot with 2.9 mi/kWh doing 65 with AC set to level 3 with 50/50 freeway/city driving. I’m sure if you keep your foot out of it and use even moderate EV-specific hypermiling techniques you can get the same kind of range. It’s all a matter of whether it makes more sense for you to go slow and save money or charge fast in the middle of the sweet spot in the charging curve and get there faster. All depends on your priorities.

 

[Roy2001]

Being in central Texas, I’ll be interested to see what swing results from a daily high of 100+ in summer to 55+ in “winter”

Sure, we’ll get a few weeks of colder daytime temps, but for the most part this Texas truck will stay pretty warm compared to our northern brothers and sisters

55F will see close to 10% range loss based on my PHEV experience

 

[RI fisherman]

I feel like I'm getting much better range on back roads vs highway the other day with 1 pedal on I had over 330 miles range. But driving on highway I'm at the 2.1 on avg useing cruise control at 70

 

[sotek2345]

55F will see close to 10% range loss based on my PHEV experience

Huh - I didn't see nearly that big of a loss at ~55F in our Mach-e. It really started dropping off below 30F and the largest impacts were in the -10F to -20F without preconditioning (departure time). I haven't experienced it, but other videos have shown it keeps dropping off down to at least -40F.

I will say that below ~10F or so, you can't really charge on a 120V circuit (L1). All of the energy just goes into keeping the battery warm.

 

[cvalue13]

I feel like I'm getting much better range on back roads vs highway the other day with 1 pedal on I had over 330 miles range. But driving on highway I'm at the 2.1 on avg useing cruise control at 70

I’m only just learning, right alongside you, that this is exactly what is expected of an EV. For EV’s, in “back roads” driving the car gets the advantage of regenerative breaking, while on the highway EV’s have the double disadvantages of both seeming particularly susceptible to the effects of air resistance and also the lack of gearing.

Where ICE vehicle’s mpgs shine on the highway (despite air resistance) because they have advantageous gearing but more importantly they have far less energy loss to breaking, the EV’s mpg’s shine in city driving.

 

[Oneand0]

Locally in summer where I live around the lake, I get great gas mileage In my Bronco. Streets are 25-45 maximum, 55 if you go over the mountain to Carson City NV. I’m hoping to get the 320 miles locally with Lariat. Winter! Nah.

 

[RickLightning]

I’m only just learning, right alongside you, that this is exactly what is expected of an EV. For EV’s, in “back roads” driving the car gets the advantage of regenerative breaking, while on the highway EV’s have the double disadvantages of both seeming particularly susceptible to the effects of air resistance and also the lack of gearing.

Where ICE vehicle’s mpgs shine on the highway (despite air resistance) because they have advantageous gearing but more importantly they have far less energy loss to breaking, the EV’s mpg’s shine in city driving.

It's not the lack of gearing.

When you drive on the highway, you're not getting any regeneration as you keep the accelerator depressed, unlike the backroads driving. Has nothing to do with lack of gearing, because when you come off the pedal, it in fact does regenerate.

And if your ICE has less energy loss when it breaks, that makes total sense, because it isn't operational and uses no energy...

A PHEV also shines in city driving, because the EV capability is driving the efficiency, lots of regeneration. But EVs don't get mpgs at all anyway...

 

[cvalue13]

It's not the lack of gearing.

When you drive on the highway, you're not getting any regeneration as you keep the accelerator depressed, unlike the backroads driving. Has nothing to do with lack of gearing,

you may well be right, and I’m certainly not claiming any expertise here as I’m a noob to EVs. But your statement that it has nothing to do with gearing is contrary to things I’m finding elsewhere on the web.

specifically, elsewhere on the web I’m finding that the lack of gearing in EVs does in fact impact efficiency at higher freeway speeds, and the higher the speeds the greater the effect. These other resources report thatEVs basically have a single gearing ratio, optimized for an average between low and high speeds. Accordingly, the higher the speeds the less efficient the gearing - according to these contrary sources.

as the EPA apparently run its mpg tests at a maximum of 60mph, with some variation in speeds downwards but no further upwards in speed during the highway test, those EPA estimates assume among other things a maximum highway speed of 60mph. If in face EVs have a single gearing, then this lack of efficiency at higher speeds would make straightforward theoretical sense - to this noob.

in any event, I’m here to learn andgiven The contrary explanations I’m finding online would hope to get further info and certainty around whether or not EV’s have single gearing, and if so how this wouldn’t effect efficiency at higher speeds

 

[greenne]

you may well be right, and I’m certainly not claiming any expertise here as I’m a noob to EVs. But your statement that it has nothing to do with gearing is contrary to things I’m finding elsewhere on the web.

specifically, elsewhere on the web I’m finding that the lack of gearing in EVs does in fact impact efficiency at higher freeway speeds, and the higher the speeds the greater the effect. These other resources report thatEVs basically have a single gearing ratio, optimized for an average between low and high speeds. Accordingly, the higher the speeds the less efficient the gearing - according to these contrary sources.

as the EPA apparently run its mpg tests at a maximum of 60mph, with some variation in speeds downwards but no further upwards in speed during the highway test, those EPA estimates assume among other things a maximum highway speed of 60mph. If in face EVs have a single gearing, then this lack of efficiency at higher speeds would make straightforward theoretical sense - to this noob.

in any event, I’m here to learn andgiven The contrary explanations I’m finding online would hope to get further info and certainty around whether or not EV’s have single gearing, and if so how this wouldn’t effect efficiency at higher speeds

I'll post this for consideration...
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a28903274/porsche-taycan-transmission/

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