Could we expect price drop soon?

[Blainestang]

Oh, probably was the people who found the pricing hidden in the code, but it was just the original pricing ($69k), plus $7k for FSD = $76,000.

 

[merek]

I am experiencing Ford “warranty service” and I will say it’s dealer dependent. Basically the dealer I am dealing with sucks so much I want to get rid of the Lightning and just go to a Luxury ICE or Tesla.

I had warranty work done on my Model 3. Took one day and I was placed in a Model S. Meanwhile my Ford dealer sets an appointment early morning, says the keypad will be done today, 5 pm comes around and it’s: our warranty tech didn’t come in…. WTF!

Meanwhile I’m in a Chevy Malibu that smells like a goddamn casino, yeah I’m pretty pissed off….

Tesla has also been known to not give loaners. And the closest Tesla service center to me is an hour away, and I am in a pretty mid-sized city.


Ford isn't perfect, but let's not pretend Tesla is either. Sorry your dealer sucks, but at least you can try going to a different dealer.

 

[F150ROD]

Tesla has also been known to not give loaners. And the closest Tesla service center to me is an hour away, and I am in a pretty mid-sized city.


Ford isn't perfect, but let's not pretend Tesla is either. Sorry your dealer sucks, but at least you can try going to a different dealer.

That’s why I said dealer dependent. Yes, that’s pretty much what I am going to do if it’s not done by tomorrow. It’s not the loaner that bothers me, it’s the appointment to bring it in to just park it in the back lot until they can get around to it. The first time around it sat there 4 days, we will see how much longer this takes.

Tesla doesn’t provide loaners anymore if I recall, the do ride share credits. My experience with Tesla service was good when I had my Model 3. Once the Service Center opened near my home it was mobile service that showed up for any issues.

 

[ivan256]

The ranger just wouldn't cost that much less than an F150. Getting a midsize truck historically has been a choice based on size, not price. The smaller trucks are less expensive, but not a lot more and in base configuration the full size are much more capable. I had a 2011 f150 crew cab that felt larger than an I needed. I replaced it in 2018 with a 2017 Tacoma. Yes the taco was smaller on the outside (narrower, a bit shorter) but to have a similar bed volume the long bed crew cab we would have been required and that is within a few inches of the f150. The interior volume of by the taco was so much smaller. We could use the f150 for family trips if needed. The taco had as much space as a Corolla. As much as I would prefer a 212 inch long truck, the full size is so much more capable/versatile.

I couldn't disagree with this more. I think that the current Super Crew format of the F-150 has so much wasted interior space that is just useless. For one, it's just so WIDE. the passenger seat is a mile away from the driver. It makes the middle rear seat more usable, but... most people aren't going to use the middle rear seat ever, and the console space in the front is just total waste. In exchange you get a less versatile truck, since it's too wide to fit places you could get it into if it were 6-10" narrower. Parking garages, for example. Or EA chargers where there's somebody parked in the next space and you want to open the door to get out and plug in. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted to baby in this thing - can't reach the kid from the front seat! Lifting a car seat up that high? No thanks. Need a small car for babies.

For family trips there doesn't need to be that much legroom. I'm 6'1", and sitting in the back I have tons of knee room to spare. 6" more bed would be loads more useful. With the giant frunk, there is significantly less need for interior cargo space. And it's an EV so it's not a road-tripping vehicle for most users anyway. Road tripping in it is a lifestyle choice. I'd bet money that 90% of these trucks don't get more than 500 miles from home ever under first ownership.

The Ranger is what the F-150 should be. And the Maverick is what the Ranger should be. The Ranger is a full size pickup in every way other than how the marketeers choose to position it in the market. It's almost exactly the same size as an F-150 from 20 years ago.

Anyway, if they come out with a Ranger Lightning, sign me up. As long as they keep the performance, and the Pro Power, and an actual frame. Just... smaller.

 

[shocker]

Tesla doesn’t provide loaners anymore if I recall, the do ride share credits. My experience with Tesla service was good when I had my Model 3. Once the Service Center opened near my home it was mobile service that showed up for any issues.

Tesla will provide a loaner if a repair takes more than 48 hours. I imagine if a customer is beyond ride share distances they would do it for shorter periods.

 

[GDN]

I couldn't disagree with this more. I think that the current Super Crew format of the F-150 has so much wasted interior space that is just useless. For one, it's just so WIDE. the passenger seat is a mile away from the driver. It makes the middle rear seat more usable, but... most people aren't going to use the middle rear seat ever, and the console space in the front is just total waste. In exchange you get a less versatile truck, since it's too wide to fit places you could get it into if it were 6-10" narrower. Parking garages, for example. Or EA chargers where there's somebody parked in the next space and you want to open the door to get out and plug in. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted to baby in this thing - can't reach the kid from the front seat! Lifting a car seat up that high? No thanks. Need a small car for babies.

For family trips there doesn't need to be that much legroom. I'm 6'1", and sitting in the back I have tons of knee room to spare. 6" more bed would be loads more useful. With the giant frunk, there is significantly less need for interior cargo space. And it's an EV so it's not a road-tripping vehicle for most users anyway. Road tripping in it is a lifestyle choice. I'd bet money that 90% of these trucks don't get more than 500 miles from home ever under first ownership.

The Ranger is what the F-150 should be. And the Maverick is what the Ranger should be. The Ranger is a full size pickup in every way other than how the marketeers choose to position it in the market. It's almost exactly the same size as an F-150 from 20 years ago.

Anyway, if they come out with a Ranger Lightning, sign me up. As long as they keep the performance, and the Pro Power, and an actual frame. Just... smaller.

This is going to sound a bit harsh, I do say it with a little tongue in cheek, but am also serious.

Please leave the F150 alone and just admit it is not the truck you need. I think Rivian may have your name.

This sounds just like the Californians that want to come to TX and then make it CA. Come here for TX if you want, but if you want CA, stay in CA.

 

[Oafy44]

I couldn't disagree with this more. I think that the current Super Crew format of the F-150 has so much wasted interior space that is just useless. For one, it's just so WIDE. the passenger seat is a mile away from the driver. It makes the middle rear seat more usable, but... most people aren't going to use the middle rear seat ever, and the console space in the front is just total waste. In exchange you get a less versatile truck, since it's too wide to fit places you could get it into if it were 6-10" narrower. Parking garages, for example. Or EA chargers where there's somebody parked in the next space and you want to open the door to get out and plug in. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted to baby in this thing - can't reach the kid from the front seat! Lifting a car seat up that high? No thanks. Need a small car for babies.

For family trips there doesn't need to be that much legroom. I'm 6'1", and sitting in the back I have tons of knee room to spare. 6" more bed would be loads more useful. With the giant frunk, there is significantly less need for interior cargo space. And it's an EV so it's not a road-tripping vehicle for most users anyway. Road tripping in it is a lifestyle choice. I'd bet money that 90% of these trucks don't get more than 500 miles from home ever under first ownership.

The Ranger is what the F-150 should be. And the Maverick is what the Ranger should be. The Ranger is a full size pickup in every way other than how the marketeers choose to position it in the market. It's almost exactly the same size as an F-150 from 20 years ago.

Anyway, if they come out with a Ranger Lightning, sign me up. As long as they keep the performance, and the Pro Power, and an actual frame. Just... smaller.

I’m 6’4”.l and 3 kids I strongly disagree with your statement !!!

but that’s what’s great. I can choose a lightning and hopefully you get your ranger. But like someone said the Rivian would be your truck for sure.
Ironically I’ve driven a ranger and a maverick and the maverick I have come to believe has more room than the ranger. At least it seemed to me. I felt there’s was a lot more headroom with the roofline vs the ranger.

 

[Kev12345]

This is going to sound a bit harsh, I do say it with a little tongue in cheek, but am also serious.

Please leave the F150 alone and just admit it is not the truck you need. I think Rivian may have your name.

This sounds just like the Californians that want to come to TX and then make it CA. Come here for TX if you want, but if you want CA, stay in CA.

I like the general size of today's 1/2 tons but I do agree the interior space could be better utilized. The center console with the folding shifter is just dumb. Use a stalk and open up that area for extra storage or a bench seat.

 

[GDN]

I like the general size of today's 1/2 tons but I do agree the interior space could be better utilized. The center console with the folding shifter is just dumb. Use a stalk and open up that area for extra storage or a bench seat.

I agree with that too, but that is not the argument being made - the argument is that the truck is the wrong size. BS.

 

[Toby57]

Well if they are the wrong size there have sure been a lot sold. Not just lightning but ICE and not just Ford. Hell ya can't throw a dead cat without hitting one.

 

[sotek2345]

I couldn't disagree with this more. I think that the current Super Crew format of the F-150 has so much wasted interior space that is just useless. For one, it's just so WIDE. the passenger seat is a mile away from the driver. It makes the middle rear seat more usable, but... most people aren't going to use the middle rear seat ever, and the console space in the front is just total waste. In exchange you get a less versatile truck, since it's too wide to fit places you could get it into if it were 6-10" narrower. Parking garages, for example. Or EA chargers where there's somebody parked in the next space and you want to open the door to get out and plug in. And I certainly wouldn't have wanted to baby in this thing - can't reach the kid from the front seat! Lifting a car seat up that high? No thanks. Need a small car for babies.

For family trips there doesn't need to be that much legroom. I'm 6'1", and sitting in the back I have tons of knee room to spare. 6" more bed would be loads more useful. With the giant frunk, there is significantly less need for interior cargo space. And it's an EV so it's not a road-tripping vehicle for most users anyway. Road tripping in it is a lifestyle choice. I'd bet money that 90% of these trucks don't get more than 500 miles from home ever under first ownership.

The Ranger is what the F-150 should be. And the Maverick is what the Ranger should be. The Ranger is a full size pickup in every way other than how the marketeers choose to position it in the market. It's almost exactly the same size as an F-150 from 20 years ago.

Anyway, if they come out with a Ranger Lightning, sign me up. As long as they keep the performance, and the Pro Power, and an actual frame. Just... smaller.

It all comes down to use case. Just this weekend, I was using my Lightning and had the bed full (under on tonneau - lots of loose items), the frunk full, 3 passengers and most of the rear seat area taken up with cargo. no way I would have been able to fit everything in a ranger. Heck - in an ICE F150 SCREW it would have been very close - likely with my 2 passengers (my teenage kids) laps piled high with stuff.

We were going to a robotics competiton so I had our pit/booth setup, a table, folding chairs, all of our tools and spare parts, snacks and beverages for the team, plus the robot itself and all of the associated hardware, batteries, chargers, controllers, etc.

 

[ivan256]

This is going to sound a bit harsh, I do say it with a little tongue in cheek, but am also serious.

Please leave the F150 alone and just admit it is not the truck you need. I think Rivian may have your name.

This sounds just like the Californians that want to come to TX and then make it CA. Come here for TX if you want, but if you want CA, stay in CA.

I don't know, I think I did exactly that. I said right at the end: "Anyway, if they come out with a Ranger Lightning, sign me up."

It's not like I came out and said "It's not perfect for me, so they shouldn't make it that way for anybody!"

I certainly understand why people might need a bigger truck. However I still don't think that the reasons the person I responded to are the right ones. If you're that guy who's 6'4" with three kids who takes EV road trips, it's probably the perfect size for you. And you probably represent a tiny fraction of the people buying the truck.

They sell the gas ones in multiple sizes. I think that it would be great if they did the same with the Lightning version. Because I think the size they chose for the Lightning is a compromise. If you only need a little truck, you can get by with a big truck. But the other way doesn't work. Most of us don't need the big one. In fact bigger can be worse!

 

[ivan256]

I think Rivian may have your name.

Incidentally, I think from a size perspective that the Rivian is better suited to me. But size isn't the only factor. Price, aftermarket support, and serviceability are all important too. Which is why I picked the Lightning instead of the Rivian.

(Also what I really want is a smaller truck with a longer bed!)

 

[GDN]

They sell the gas ones in multiple sizes. I think that it would be great if they did the same with the Lightning version. Because I think the size they chose for the Lightning is a compromise. If you only need a little truck, you can get by with a big truck. But the other way doesn't work. Most of us don't need the big one. In fact bigger can be worse!

So what you are trying to do is just help Ford with their Road Map - there isn't anything wrong with that, it is just that no manufacture can make this transition overnight. Ford started where they thought they'd make the biggest splash and get the most attention. You know for a fact that if they think EV's are the right move now, the other trucks are on their radar. There just isn't enough engineering available to make it all happen at once. It'll be a 10 to 15 year transition through the different models.

So unfortunately, they started with the F150 and for your use case it might have been better if they'd started with the Ranger.

 

[chl]

Tesla just dropped price almost back to original level. For example the most popular Model Y used to cost $50k, increased to $66k last year, now it is $53k, and it could get $7500.

I think we would see F150L price drop back to 2022 level, agree?

I agree because:
1) I think in 2023, the lightning will have some tough competition and will have to lower the price.
2) the supply chain problems have improved (the justification for the $15k price increase)
3) There are plenty of unsold Lariat Lightnings sitting unsold, last time I checked, asking $75K and up
4) dealer markups make customers feel gouged, around here anywhere from $5k-$10k only a few MSRP sellers
5) the competition, Tesla Cybertruck, will have more range, faster charging, and bigger charging station network, and probably will start at a lower MSRP because Tesla has mitigated many of the supply chain issues as well as manufacturing issues Ford has had gearing up to be an EV company
6) Ford MIGHT decide to sell to consumers directly since I just read 40% of dealers aren't buying in to the EV deal - that would cut a lot of costs passed on to the consumer (as any honest analysis of the dealership/manufacturer business model will show)
7) and, God forbid, there may be a hard landing economically (recession) due to the Fed's struggle to control inflation - the analysts are split on that - but if our elected reps can't agree to increase the anachronistic debt limit, and the US defaults on its debts, there will be a bad recession, and it don't look too good right now from here in the DC suburbs.

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