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It could be conservative nanny software altering the charging curve in an attempt to limit warranty claims. Toyota did something similar with BusyForx. Maybe they reduced the buffer in the HVB?
What's annoying is that Ford is already conservative with the charging curve, especially on trucks with the Max Towing package which adds extra battery cooling capacity. Rivian is more aggressive on charging curve and their battery cooling capabilities are less. Assuming internal high voltage cabling is appropriately sized, it's likely Ford could maintain peak 500A DCFC rates for much longer durations, significantly improving the DCFC curve. Tesla does nearly 700A on their 400V class vehicles as another comparison.
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Ford F-150 Lightning buyers can take advantage as well

  • $7,500 retail bonus cash on an F-150 XLT Extended Range purchase
Now’s the time people! Don’t go Pro, just a little more and you can drive the discounted 2023 XLT!

I just pulled the trigger this weekend, $7,500 POS and additional dealer matched $7,500 on a 2023 F150 Lightning XLT SR.

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Deals are out there…$49,462 before $7,500 POS credit.

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Click this links and go to the question about charging at 350kw chargers. It says 120 max for 2024 and upto 150 for for 2023. Since we know that extended range is 150 for 2023 and standard is 120 in 2023 that statement makes sense. seems they cut the speed of charging as a cost cutting move. Not sure if the reduction in dual on board charges affects this or if it only affects level 2 charging but overall concerning.
Read it again. It does NOT say that. It says at EA... Why they single out EA is the question.
 

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Read it again. It does NOT say that. It says at EA... Why they single out EA is the question.
I think they just used EA as an example. If I did interpret that incorrectly they need to be more clear cuz I think my interpretation of this being a general 2024 issue is a reasonable one to come to based on this language.
 

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Welp, time to start looking again. See if I can get a good deal.
 

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Another day another price change. It was ridiculous months ago. Now it’s a clown show.
*can you tell who’s bitter
 

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Deals are out there…$49,462 before $7,500 POS credit.

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I live in Massachusetts so between dealer discount (~5700), Ford discount (7500), federal POS incentives. (7500) and state incentive (7500), I just picked up a lariat ER for ~ 52 k
 

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I think they just used EA as an example. If I did interpret that incorrectly they need to be more clear cuz I think my interpretation of this being a general 2024 issue is a reasonable one to come to based on this language.
It also says that 2023 is limited to 150. I guarantee you that’s not correct. Several people here have seen 170+.
 

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I live in Massachusetts so between dealer discount (~5700), Ford discount (7500), federal POS incentives. (7500) and state incentive (7500), I just picked up a lariat ER for ~ 52 k
Just checking, the first post said Lariat SR/ER only getting $5000, but you got $7500? Did they already change it?
Also curious - did they explain the Federal POS had an income limit?

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Just checking, the first post said Lariat SR/ER only getting $5000, but you got $7500? Did they already change it?
Also curious - did they explain the Federal POS had an income limit?

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So I'm not sure if it's different in different regions but the ford website for me says 7500 if I finance with them which I did at 3.9%. also the offers page on the Ford website said 7500 for Lariats. Maybe it's a regional thing but I got the full manufacturer 7500 off. Or maybe electrek got their numbers wrong. I never saw 5000 on the Ford website. Also they did explain about the income limit for federal
 

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It also says that 2023 is limited to 150. I guarantee you that’s not correct. Several people here have seen 170+.
I'm aware but 120 is what for listed for standard range in 2023 and 150 for extended range. People definitely get higher than Ford's listed max but what I've seen is that there is a definite difference of about 30kw between extended range and standard range when comparing those charge curves. Like extended range getting up to 170 regularly and standard range getting up to 140 regularly. So point still stands that if all 24s max at 120 and that translates to 140 in real life, that is still significantly worse for extended ranges who will now be capped at that 140 instead of 170 for 23 model years
 

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I live in Massachusetts so between dealer discount (~5700), Ford discount (7500), federal POS incentives. (7500) and state incentive (7500), I just picked up a lariat ER for ~ 52 k
Great find, 👍🏼
 

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I need to stop looking at this thread. Pretty depressing I could’ve gotten an extended range XLT cheaper than the standard range PRO I bought two months ago… that I waited 2 and 1/2 years for. Way to shaft your most loyal customers FORD
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