Curious why some do not use 1 pedal driving.

[Brons2]

Old dogs, new truck.

This is the only response that is needed.

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[p52Ranch]

I wonder how many 1PD users compared to 2PD users are new to driving a pickup truck/ Ford F series?
I’ve been driving a F series for most of the past 50 years. I think that Ford nailed the ICE F series driving experience with the 2PD on the Lightning. When the Lightning is in drive or reverse it will both creep and coast just like an ICE F series will.
Consequently I like 2PD over 1PD. The fact that Ford did an outstanding job of blending in regen with the brake pedal makes my 2PD as efficient as someone using 1PD.
And my right Achilles appreciates getting off of the accelerator pedal during city driving.

 

[CavRider]

I wonder how many 1PD users compared to 2PD users are new to driving a pickup truck/ Ford F series?
I’ve been driving a F series for most of the past 50 years. I think that Ford nailed the ICE F series driving experience with the 2PD on the Lightning. When the Lightning is in drive or reverse it will both creep and coast just like an ICE F series will.
Consequently I like 2PD over 1PD. The fact that Ford did an outstanding job of blending in regen with the brake pedal makes my 2PD as efficient as someone using 1PD.
And my right Achilles appreciates getting off of the accelerator pedal during city driving.

To each their own I guess. I'm not new to driving a pickup. For me the absolute last place I would turn off 1PD would be in the city.

 

[Brons2]

I wonder how many 1PD users compared to 2PD users are new to driving a pickup truck/ Ford F series?
I’ve been driving a F series for most of the past 50 years. I think that Ford nailed the ICE F series driving experience with the 2PD on the Lightning. When the Lightning is in drive or reverse it will both creep and coast just like an ICE F series will.
Consequently I like 2PD over 1PD. The fact that Ford did an outstanding job of blending in regen with the brake pedal makes my 2PD as efficient as someone using 1PD.
And my right Achilles appreciates getting off of the accelerator pedal during city driving.

Every vehicle with a conventional torque converter automatic built in the last 75 years creeps forward, it's not unique to pickups. It's just what you're used to.

In general, people don't like change. They don't like getting used to something new. Worked in corporate tech for 30 years and seen it over and over and over again. Some people embrace the new stuff, others resist it as long as they can.

 

[Mmiketa]

Lots of people talking about the fact that if you need more braking, you can always use the brake pedal when driving using just the 1 Pedal.

But I think that introduces delay and brain confusion in the driver that can increase the chances of under-braking when needed. The problem being that the driver gets accustomed to using just the accelerator to brake. Several people have even mentioned they never even touch the brake pedal. But what happens when the driver has let off the accelerator all the way and it turns out that is not enough braking? It may even lead to a moment of confusion to even realize that. Then they have to find the brake pedal which also takes time.

If the driver is accustomed to driving in 2 pedal mode, whenever braking, the driver already has their foot on the brake and they can modulate braking to the max that the vehicle is capable of without any further thinking about it.

In Teslas, the situation may be even made worse because in a Tesla, every time you touch the brake pedal its friction braking which cuts into your efficiency. Drivers train themselves to avoid using the brake pedal. So they may be hesitant to engage the brake pedal when they really should have started braking sooner and harder.

I think that is a completely fabricated scenario that wouldn't play out that way. With 1PD you actually brake faster, without a delay, because in the time between letting off the accelerator and getting to the brake pedal, the car is already braking giving you a few extra seconds to stop.

 

[Brons2]

I think that is a completely fabricated scenario that wouldn't play out that way. With 1PD you actually brake faster, without a delay, because in the time between letting off the accelerator and getting to the brake pedal, the car is already braking giving you a few extra seconds to stop.

Exactly, there is zero confusion involved, at least with an experienced driver. You hit the brake pedal if you need more. If it's a panic stop, immediately hit the brake hard.

Maybe with a new driver this would be a thing and they needed to drive it normally for a while to figure that if they need to stop faster, that the brake pedal needs to be activated.

 

[CavRider]

For me, I continue to be hugely annoyed every time I get back in an ICE powered conveyance and it fails to aggressively attenuate its velocity when I let off that throttle.

<sarcasm>Such antiquated tech</sarcasm>

 

[Firn]

Every vehicle with a conventional torque converter automatic built in the last 75 years creeps forward, it's not unique to pickups. It's just what you're used to.

In general, people don't like change. They don't like getting used to something new. Worked in corporate tech for 30 years and seen it over and over and over again. Some people embrace the new stuff, others resist it as long as they can.

I find that "creep" immensely helpful, not just a "the way it used to work". Be it the final touches on parking, positioning in the garage, connecting a trailer, backing to a loading dock, closing space at a light, pulling ahead for a turn, etc.

I think the issue here is that 1pd has to apply the brakes to stay stopped, same with the auto hold. The end result is the need to push the accelerator down to go and ending up with that little "surge" when it goes. I find both 1pd and auto hold very frustrating if you frequently have to position precisely.

 

[RickKeen]

I think that is a completely fabricated scenario that wouldn't play out that way. With 1PD you actually brake faster, without a delay, because in the time between letting off the accelerator and getting to the brake pedal, the car is already braking giving you a few extra seconds to stop.

Talking about a scenario where you have to brake more than you thought and more than regen can provide. Suddenly you run out.

 

[Brons2]

I find that "creep" immensely helpful, not just a "the way it used to work". Be it the final touches on parking, positioning in the garage, connecting a trailer, backing to a loading dock, closing space at a light, pulling ahead for a turn, etc.

I think the issue here is that 1pd has to apply the brakes to stay stopped, same with the auto hold. The end result is the need to push the accelerator down to go and ending up with that little "surge" when it goes. I find both 1pd and auto hold very frustrating if you frequently have to position precisely.

There is a difference between stopping just stopped and giving it enough brake pressure so the little hand liiuminates in the gauge cluster. My 2024 creeps forward very easily and with light pressure on the go pedal. If the hand is illuminated then it takes a little more go pedal to make it go forward.

Exact same with the Mach-E, which is why I was already used to the behavior, we had the Mach-E 6 months to the date before my Lightning was delivered on Christmas Eve.

 

[Mmiketa]

Talking about a scenario where you have to brake more than you thought and more than regen can provide. Suddenly you run out.

I've used regen for years now, I have had a decent number of scenarios where I thought I could regen to stop, but it wasn't enough for whatever reason. As soon as you let completely off the throttle it brakes at max regen and idk about you but I instinctively know whether that is enough or not enough brake power to stop me in time. The same way that if you press on the brake to stop you know whether or not you need to press it to the floor or not. I have not once lifted off and sat there only to go "oh crap, it won't stop in time."

 

[WHPHLightning]

When you provide facts instead of you yourself just claiming you have, then we can get somewhere. Continuing to claim so just shows how weak your arguments are.

" “regenerative braking” is what I said when I called in “drag”, in order to simply and describe the feeling users experience."

This is trigonometry, put the coloring books away.

Funny. You are about as correct in this debate as you are funny.

Facts are presented to answer the question, and for some unknown reason you jump in with non-sense.

The facts are simple for anyone who wants to find them, for you however, I fear they will find themselves just out of reach.

And that’s not a joke.

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