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Just curious how future proof Lightning's are. Are we maxed out due to hardware constraints? Or is there the possibility of software updates or even future aftermarket where our trucks can be upgraded to reduce charge time?
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100% pure speculation. Due to the modularity of the battery, it appears that a battery swap out to a newer technology should be possible. The only thing that might hold it back from 3rd party upgrades would be the accompanying software update to take full advantage. I'm not sure how difficult that would be as I don't know much about Ford's setup to begin with. Given the ability of hackers to outpace industry, I imagine that a motivated enough private company could dial something up and if the truck is out of warranty, not much to risk on it (other than bricking the truck of course)
 

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As is they are about as fast as a 400 volt battery can charge. That’s why all the newer competition has gone to 800V. If you double the Volts, you half the amperage, allowing for about 2x speed with the same amps.
We have what we have.
 
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As is they are about as fast as a 400 volt battery can charge. That’s why all the newer competition has gone to 800V. If you double the Volts, you half the amperage, allowing for about 2x speed with the same amps.
We have what we have.
I'd noticed that with the upcoming GM products, which lead to this post. What hardware allows for the 800 volts? Is it wiring or the battery itself?
 

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A battery swap that would allow the max charge rate through 90% would be pretty nice.
 

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I'd noticed that with the upcoming GM products, which lead to this post. What hardware allows for the 800 volts? Is it wiring or the battery itself?
Battery itself. But GM uses a 400 volt battery. They spilt it in half and run them in parallel to enable 800 volt charging. Something I was hoping Ford would adopt after launch on newer models of both Lightning and Mach-E.
 

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Battery itself. But GM uses a 400 volt battery. They spilt it in half and run them in parallel to enable 800 volt charging. Something I was hoping Ford would adopt after launch on newer models of both Lightning and Mach-E.
GM must be patent blocking on this, or maybe Ford is afraid they are? It's such a simple solution to the problem, and practically just a switch. It couldn't cost any significant amount to include this feature. Far less than switching to a heat pump I would think.
 
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A battery swap that would allow the max charge rate through 90% would be pretty nice.
That would be nice! Maybe even 95%; at least for road trips.

Battery itself. But GM uses a 400 volt battery. They spilt it in half and run them in parallel to enable 800 volt charging. Something I was hoping Ford would adopt after launch on newer models of both Lightning and Mach-E.
Maybe I'm oversimplifying things, but I guess that could mean that we could hypothetically have a 800v aftermarket battery design installed in the future?
 

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GM must be patent blocking on this, or maybe Ford is afraid they are? It's such a simple solution to the problem, and practically just a switch. It couldn't cost any significant amount to include this feature. Far less than switching to a heat pump I would think.
You can't patent Ohm's Law. Ford probably either didn't think of doing it, or didn't want to have the added expense needed to split the voltage.
 

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You can't patent Ohm's Law.
Of course, but I would think you could patent, or at least try to patent the "switching architecture of a high voltage battery for automotive applications" or some other fancy speak for what they're doing.
 

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Of course, but I would think you could patent, or at least try to patent the "switching architecture of a high voltage battery for automotive applications" or some other fancy speak for what they're doing.
There are many ways to skin a cat. It would most likely only entail a new High Voltage Junction Box, some added bus bars and some software. I can't see how you could patent block it unless you blatantly copied the hardware down to the exact measurements.
 

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I'd noticed that with the upcoming GM products, which lead to this post. What hardware allows for the 800 volts? Is it wiring or the battery itself?
The “trick” is to divide the battery pack into two equal-sized 400v modules; connect them in parallel for driving (400v operating) and connect them in series for charging (800v charging). This gives the benefit of faster charging (higher kW due to lower amps) and retains the (present) economy of 400v architecture. This is the method GM Is using, but I believe Porsche introduced it in their Taycan.
 

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Battery itself. But GM uses a 400 volt battery. They spilt it in half and run them in parallel to enable 800 volt charging. Something I was hoping Ford would adopt after launch on newer models of both Lightning and Mach-E.
Series for charging (400v + 400v = 800v) and parallel for driving (400v).
 

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Yeah. I had it backwards, didn't I. Quite embarrassing.
No, you had the concept, don’t be embarrassed. We live in a world where most people don’t know a kW from a kWh.
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