Jim Lewis
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I have a problem with audio routing in Apple CarPlay in my Lightning Lariat ER. I picked a broad topic title so as not to restrict the topic to my particular problem since I think earbud wearers might suffer from the same problem, and perhaps the problem exists in Android Auto, too. I'm curious to find out.
My starting point is that I'm a BT hearing aid wearer. But just consider those as a special form of BT earbud. In Apple iOS, hearing aids are an accessibility device, and in the depths of iOS Accessibility settings, there are audio routing options. I have set my audio routing to "ALWAY HEARING DEVICES." Whenever I use my iPhone, any streamed call or media sound will go to my "earbuds."
The problem comes when I get in my truck. Apple CarPlay is the culprit. It overrides my iPhone settings. Despite my phone settings, any media is initially streamed to the truck speakers, whether playing a podcast or using routing software (Waze, Apple Maps). The Apple Podcasts player has a widget for audio routing, and I'm offered Lightning, iPhone, Hearing Aids. CarPlay automatically routes my initial podcast player output to the Lightning despite my Always Hearing Devices iPhone setting. If I change routing to Hearing Aids, the Apple Podcasts remembers and respects that change and afterward always routes the Podcast output to my "earbuds" for that truck driving session.
Not so with the routing software I've tested in CarPlay: Waze and Apple Maps. The verbal output from these apps is always routed to my truck audio system, and if I try to change it, it snaps back to the truck speakers. During a 200-mile weekend trip, my wife does not enjoy listening to a routing app's constant drivel of driving instructions.
Apple is at fault here because, on a hearing aid user forum, lots of other drivers of different vehicles wearing different brands of hearing aids report the same problem with CarPlay hijacking their audio routing preferences.
I haven't messed around with call routing in my truck at all. I've wondered if there is some routing option for calls in the truck by which I might also be able to change my audio routing from map apps in Apple CarPlay with the same truck settings change.
I just wanted to inform other CarPlay users of this potential audio routing problem and learn if the same problem exists in Android Auto.
A related problem is the limited number of iPhone apps that CarPlay permits to be available on the vehicle touchscreen. Perhaps the app selection is limited by the need for an app developer to customize the app for CarPlay use or by the consideration that some apps are just driving distractions, not to be allowed for that reason. But as a hearing aid wearer, I'd like my hearing aid control app to be available on my Sync screen when needed to control volume, noise, etc. Yet it's not in CarPlay. And I don't want to/shouldn't fiddle with my iPhone while driving.
There should be an audio routing widget in some corner of the CarPlay screen that would let me toggle between output to the truck audio vs. output to my "earbuds" (hearing aids). Even better as for my TV streamer, if I could adjust the desired audio mix sent to truck speakers vs. hearing aids.
For anyone experiencing this CarPlay audio routing hassle, I suggest sending Apple iPhone feedback: Feedback - iPhone - Apple. I've also reported CarPlay behavior to my HA OEM, GN ReSound, and the tech I spoke to was amazed that CarPlaly overrode the Always Hearing Devices setting and promised to let his higher-ups know about the problem and perhaps get Apple to do something about hijacking their intended device settings for hearing-impaired users. If there are other HA wearers out there for whom CarPlay audio routing is a problem, you might want to provide similar feedback to your HA OEM.
One distantly related problem is that BT LE Audio will hopefully become a thing in the next few years. It's already available on some Samsung devices. Since Apple was one of the important co-developers via BT SIG, it's strange Apple is ceding the lead to Android. But perhaps Apple is riding such an audio wave with classic BT that they're in no hurry to change horses. Auracast | Bluetooth® Technology Website (from the BT SIG group). BT LE Audio is now available in Windows, though: Check if your Windows 11 PC supports Bluetooth Low Energy Audio - Microsoft Support.
It will be interesting to see if existing Lightnings can in any way be upgraded to BT LE Audio. In a few years, I will have BT LE Audio-capable hearing aids, and then perhaps my problem will be, can my BT LE Audio-capable iPhone still route audio to my truck's classic BT audio system if I want?
My starting point is that I'm a BT hearing aid wearer. But just consider those as a special form of BT earbud. In Apple iOS, hearing aids are an accessibility device, and in the depths of iOS Accessibility settings, there are audio routing options. I have set my audio routing to "ALWAY HEARING DEVICES." Whenever I use my iPhone, any streamed call or media sound will go to my "earbuds."
The problem comes when I get in my truck. Apple CarPlay is the culprit. It overrides my iPhone settings. Despite my phone settings, any media is initially streamed to the truck speakers, whether playing a podcast or using routing software (Waze, Apple Maps). The Apple Podcasts player has a widget for audio routing, and I'm offered Lightning, iPhone, Hearing Aids. CarPlay automatically routes my initial podcast player output to the Lightning despite my Always Hearing Devices iPhone setting. If I change routing to Hearing Aids, the Apple Podcasts remembers and respects that change and afterward always routes the Podcast output to my "earbuds" for that truck driving session.
Not so with the routing software I've tested in CarPlay: Waze and Apple Maps. The verbal output from these apps is always routed to my truck audio system, and if I try to change it, it snaps back to the truck speakers. During a 200-mile weekend trip, my wife does not enjoy listening to a routing app's constant drivel of driving instructions.
Apple is at fault here because, on a hearing aid user forum, lots of other drivers of different vehicles wearing different brands of hearing aids report the same problem with CarPlay hijacking their audio routing preferences.
I haven't messed around with call routing in my truck at all. I've wondered if there is some routing option for calls in the truck by which I might also be able to change my audio routing from map apps in Apple CarPlay with the same truck settings change.
I just wanted to inform other CarPlay users of this potential audio routing problem and learn if the same problem exists in Android Auto.
A related problem is the limited number of iPhone apps that CarPlay permits to be available on the vehicle touchscreen. Perhaps the app selection is limited by the need for an app developer to customize the app for CarPlay use or by the consideration that some apps are just driving distractions, not to be allowed for that reason. But as a hearing aid wearer, I'd like my hearing aid control app to be available on my Sync screen when needed to control volume, noise, etc. Yet it's not in CarPlay. And I don't want to/shouldn't fiddle with my iPhone while driving.
There should be an audio routing widget in some corner of the CarPlay screen that would let me toggle between output to the truck audio vs. output to my "earbuds" (hearing aids). Even better as for my TV streamer, if I could adjust the desired audio mix sent to truck speakers vs. hearing aids.
For anyone experiencing this CarPlay audio routing hassle, I suggest sending Apple iPhone feedback: Feedback - iPhone - Apple. I've also reported CarPlay behavior to my HA OEM, GN ReSound, and the tech I spoke to was amazed that CarPlaly overrode the Always Hearing Devices setting and promised to let his higher-ups know about the problem and perhaps get Apple to do something about hijacking their intended device settings for hearing-impaired users. If there are other HA wearers out there for whom CarPlay audio routing is a problem, you might want to provide similar feedback to your HA OEM.
One distantly related problem is that BT LE Audio will hopefully become a thing in the next few years. It's already available on some Samsung devices. Since Apple was one of the important co-developers via BT SIG, it's strange Apple is ceding the lead to Android. But perhaps Apple is riding such an audio wave with classic BT that they're in no hurry to change horses. Auracast | Bluetooth® Technology Website (from the BT SIG group). BT LE Audio is now available in Windows, though: Check if your Windows 11 PC supports Bluetooth Low Energy Audio - Microsoft Support.
It will be interesting to see if existing Lightnings can in any way be upgraded to BT LE Audio. In a few years, I will have BT LE Audio-capable hearing aids, and then perhaps my problem will be, can my BT LE Audio-capable iPhone still route audio to my truck's classic BT audio system if I want?
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