BlueOval Charge Network Adds Three Charging Providers to Surpass 106,000 Chargers

[RickLightning]

I figured it out. @Ford Motor Company is taking these features (seeing charging details and ability to charge to 100% while charging) hostage by tying them to driving data. I had sharing my driving data off so I could not see and use these features. How fast I drive, how many times safety features activated has nothing to do with those features but I bet is something insurance companies will pay for. I always had driving data setting off but lost these abilities a while back. This makes me really worried about the future updates. What other capabilities I am going to lose if I value my privacy? This is messed up. Ford, please stop these shady practices and fix this if you value our trust and loyalty.

To use Connected Service features, you must be, well, connected... That's not going to change.

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[RickLightning]

I'm assuming this email is related to the update. Has anyone canceled and resubscribed yet?

Ford has fixed the "I'm a used buyer and can't use Plug and Charge" problem. If that fits you, do what it says.

 

[AmandaB]

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Ford has fixed the "I'm a used buyer and can't use Plug and Charge" problem. If that fits you, do what it says.

Bought new and haven't had an issue with Plug and Charge. Thanks. I'll just leave it alone.

 

[Maxx]

To use Connected Service features, you must be, well, connected... That's not going to change.

What is the point of giving those options in the settings if they don’t mean anything? This is almost as bad as Tesla.

 

[RickLightning]

What is the point of giving those options in the settings if they don’t mean anything? This is almost as bad as Tesla.

No one makes you use the various features. But, if you have for example Connected Navigation, don't you want it updated? To update it, you need to be... connected. Or remote start. Need 2-way communication.

 

[Toby57]

What is the point of giving those options in the settings if they don’t mean anything? This is almost as bad as Tesla.

Maxx, you answered that question in post #30. Ford wants buyers connected for the benefits Ford gets, which far outweighs any benefit you get.
My proof, Rick post, you need to be connected for remote start. Why? My ice has remote start by a push of my fob.

 

[RickLightning]

Maxx, you answered that question in post #30. Ford wants buyers connected for the benefits Ford gets, which far outweighs any benefit you get.
My proof, Rick post, you need to be connected for remote start. Why? My ice has remote start by a push of my fob.

Ford has done away with FOB remote starts for quite some time.

 

[Toby57]

Ford has done away with FOB remote starts for quite some time.

Do you know if that is all Ford's or just the lightning and higher end models?

 

[RickLightning]

Do you know if that is all Ford's or just the lightning and higher end models?

I don't believe it is all Ford vehicles. I do believe it's most Ford vehicles.

 

[Maxx]

No one makes you use the various features. But, if you have for example Connected Navigation, don't you want it updated? To update it, you need to be... connected. Or remote start. Need 2-way communication.

We have a bit of miscommunication here. You keep telling me how things are and I keep telling you how they should be. No one made me buy the truck either but if after I payed for it and brought it home, Ford came to my house and took one of the wheels off and told me I can’t use it, I would be mighty pissed. When I bought the vehicle, I could tell my truck to charge to 100% remotely without sharing my driving information. Ford changed this in one of the updates without telling me prior to the update what they are changing so I could decide if I wanted to update the truck or the app. They basically took a capability they sold the truck with away after selling it.
I am sharing almost everything else. I have no problem sharing diagnostics to help Ford build better next gen EVs but attaching these useful features to driving data after selling me the vehicle is simply creepy. Not telling me they are making these changes even creepier. I don’t think me and you will ever see eye to eye on this. Especially in a world that Tesla drivers pay a ton of money for their cars and let Tesla use them and their hardware to train DOJO and then go back and pay $15K for what they help make. I just think regulators in U.S. are sleep at the wheel and these companies will do anything they can getaway with.

 

[RickLightning]

I know of no change that was made. If you say one was made, I guess either it was, or you think it was. I've owned a Mach-E for 2 years and it always has required data both ways to work.

 

[Maxx]

I know of no change that was made. If you say one was made, I guess either it was, or you think it was. I've owned a Mach-E for 2 years and it always has required data both ways to work.

It sounds like you have all your data sharing options enabled so you wouldn’t see any difference. I have most of my data sharing options enabled but not driving data. That is when you see the difference. People don’t realize while their data is out, it is not going back in. There has been many occasions where I knew exactly what I was doing but the truck safety features which understandably set on the cautious side kicked in. I don’t want my insurance rates to go up because some programmer made a judgment call on where to draw the line on truck’s safety features. It will be like this:

 

[Maxx]

Maxx, you answered that question in post #30. Ford wants buyers connected for the benefits Ford gets, which far outweighs any benefit you get.
My proof, Rick post, you need to be connected for remote start. Why? My ice has remote start by a push of my fob.

I understand. I am connected but when Ford gives options on what you will and will not share once you are connected, those options should mean something and not be B.S. They should do what Ford says the will do. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[invertedspear]

because some programmer made a judgment call on where to draw the line

As a programmer, it's really not them adding/pushing for the feature. Either they do it, or they get fired and the next guy does it. All it takes is one with loose morals. Over the years, I've refused to do certain things on a few occasions. It's a weird situation to be in to be willing to throw your job away based on a moral judgement, but it's also nice for a company to show their moral character so you can plan your own exit.

I do think there's a level of evil to this. Especially if something was an included feature which was converted into a reward without consent. I guess you pseudo consent by having auto updates on, but that's weak. We own these trucks. It's nice that there's a level of service included with OTA updates, but even if I opt out of updates, Ford still has the ability to gimp my truck remotely. Shit would hit the fan if they started doing that, but they can. It's just on a higher scale of "bad" than removing a convenience feature. Both are bad and we should push back so we don't find ourselves on slippery slopes.

 

[Maxx]

As a programmer, it's really not them adding/pushing for the feature. Either they do it, or they get fired and the next guy does it. All it takes is one with loose morals. Over the years, I've refused to do certain things on a few occasions. It's a weird situation to be in to be willing to throw your job away based on a moral judgement, but it's also nice for a company to show their moral character so you can plan your own exit.

I do think there's a level of evil to this. Especially if something was an included feature which was converted into a reward without consent. I guess you pseudo consent by having auto updates on, but that's weak. We own these trucks. It's nice that there's a level of service included with OTA updates, but even if I opt out of updates, Ford still has the ability to gimp my truck remotely. Shit would hit the fan if they started doing that, but they can. It's just on a higher scale of "bad" than removing a convenience feature. Both are bad and we should push back so we don't find ourselves on slippery slopes.

I used to manage my own team of developers and software engineers and never expected any of them to make a judgment call that would put their career or their conscious in a bad spot. It was my responsibility to make the tough calls. I was lucky most of my bosses had a fully functional moral compass but the way I dealt with the ones that didn’t, was making sure the process was transparent and that would often forced them to make the right call.

If every owner could see exactly what has changed with the OTA and the App updates and the code version of it was saved with a trusted government agency so the manufacturer could not change it after the fact, they would end up doing the right thing more often than not.

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