Doesn’t look good for us ever seeing BC 1.4

[marc_hanna]

True. I'd take a driverless tesla over a lot of the people on the road.

The Tesla self-driving is spectacular. I used it in the city in heavy traffic. It was able to make a left turn from a stop sign across two lanes of heavy traffic that had the right-of-way. It chooses when to overtake and adjusts for construction zones. It definitely drives better than my wife, and might even be better than me at gaging distances.

It is definitely nerve-racking to hand the trust over to it, but it delivers well.

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[gbuydos]

Ford Model reported a full-year EBIT loss of $4.7 billion on sales of 116,000 EVs, or an average of $40,525 per vehicle. I believe these were 23' numbers, I 'm sure the 24' numbers improved a little. However, this is not sustainable.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Ford Model reported a full-year EBIT loss of $4.7 billion on sales of 116,000 EVs, or an average of $40,525 per vehicle. I believe these were 23' numbers, I 'm sure the 24' numbers improved a little. However, this is not sustainable.

Unless you're willing to let the ICE profits cover these expenses to nurture new technology & markets

 

[gbuydos]

Unless you're willing to let the ICE profits cover these expenses to nurture new technology & markets

You mean are the "shareholders" willing???

 

[TaxmanHog]

You mean are the "shareholders" willing???

I see the numbers on my shares, at the moment I'm willing to a point as long as they don't go Chrysler.

 

[NCevGuyF150]

Has any other manufacturer with self driving features had documented mishaps, or is it only Ford? I seem to recall reading about several Tesla incidences.

I remember reading about them also. Seems like a Tesla hit a bicycle/pedestrian and also a pedestrian. Not remembering exactly where or when.

 

[Merner]

Has any other manufacturer with self driving features had documented mishaps, or is it only Ford? I seem to recall reading about several Tesla incidences.

Tesla had a number of issues early on. The stationary object issues seemed to have gone away when they stopped using radar.

 

[flypony53]

I don’t anticipate getting 1.4. My free trial is up this spring and I won’t pay for the wonky BC I have now.
Now if I’m offered another 3 year free evaluation period, I might accept it.

this is me as well. Mine expires in a few months. I am not purchasing glorified lane keep assist. BC for me has not been an added value. The constant yelling at me when I put my drink back in the cup holder, or check my side mirrors for more than a glance, ping ponging in the lane when someone enters in front of me, slamming on the brakes when someone enters my lane at the same speed to get the gap back to the setting, in and out of handsfree while on the same highway, not stopping for stopped traffic ahead, etc. Have full self driving on my Tesla Model S, Ford will never reach this level of automation. I am making complete drives in the Tesla without intervention or it making me nervous with its moves. Heck, on my last drive, it made decisions better than I would have.

Anyway, I have not received an OTA update since a failed one in September, visit to the dealer was pointless, my truck still POPS while parked and it cannot make up its mind what tones it wants to use on each drive. Unfortunately, I cannot find an electric truck that I like better.

 

[ZSC100]

lol........

Now with the fairytale "EV Mandates" gone we will never see it, heck T3 might be put on the shelf.

I'm o.k. with it. Legacy Auto is just doing what legacy auto has done forever, you get what is on the window sticker, nothing more nothing less.

If we want 1.4 we have to trade in or enable it with FORSCAN, simple as that.

LOL, and with Ford you don't even get what's on the window sticker

 

[Brons2]

What's BlueCruise?
#XLTlife

j/k...we have it on my wife's Mach-E. Was delivered with 1.2, has gotten upgraded to 1.3.

There were some comments on the Mach-E forums that BC 1.0 would actually stop in time for a stopped vehicle in your lane of travel. Maybe at some point this was de-emphasized, it certainly would lead to a lot of ghost braking if the system was set extremely sensitive.

27ish years ago while visiting California, I hit a stalled out Corvair in the left lane on Interstate 280 at night. The car had lost all electrical power, thus no lights on at all. Was a rental Taurus I had and it was not drivable after the incident. I never saw the Corvair until the last second and I slammed on the brake, but still hit it going at least 30-35 mph. The other drivers were out of the car and had to dive out of the way in order to not be hit by the rebound of the Corvair.

There's no perfect solution here.

1. People need to get to the shoulder or off the highway immediately if they perceive their car is losing power or something else is malfunctioning that could affect propulsion power. A loss of propulsion is an emergency with today's speed limits, there is no time to think about it, just get out of the road as soon as humanly possible.

2. Drivers need to consider carrying emergency lighting to include flares or rechargeable, extremely bright, battery lights. Even if you get to the shoulder, vehicles have been hit on the shoulder, there's many YouTubes out there showing vehicles being hit on the shoulder.

3. People need to PAY ATTENTION at ALL TIMES whether they are using assistive technologies or manually driving. There's no substitute for this and no excuse for not doing it.

4. The technology for assisted driving needs to be improved as much as it can possibly be, processing power will only continue to increase and become cheaper and this will allow for more software features.

 

[gbuydos]

this is me as well. Mine expires in a few months. I am not purchasing glorified lane keep assist. BC for me has not been an added value. The constant yelling at me when I put my drink back in the cup holder, or check my side mirrors for more than a glance, ping ponging in the lane when someone enters in front of me, slamming on the brakes when someone enters my lane at the same speed to get the gap back to the setting, in and out of handsfree while on the same highway, not stopping for stopped traffic ahead, etc. Have full self driving on my Tesla Model S, Ford will never reach this level of automation. I am making complete drives in the Tesla without intervention or it making me nervous with its moves. Heck, on my last drive, it made decisions better than I would have.

Anyway, I have not received an OTA update since a failed one in September, visit to the dealer was pointless, my truck still POPS while parked and it cannot make up its mind what tones it wants to use on each drive. Unfortunately, I cannot find an electric truck that I like better.

I agree, I will not renew mine. If it wont let me eat a Wendy's burger and drive at the same time, its no good........

 

[Altivec]

The Tesla self-driving is spectacular. I used it in the city in heavy traffic. It was able to make a left turn from a stop sign across two lanes of heavy traffic that had the right-of-way. It chooses when to overtake and adjusts for construction zones. It definitely drives better than my wife, and might even be better than me at gaging distances.

It is definitely nerve-racking to hand the trust over to it, but it delivers well.

That's exactly what is so dangerous about these things. The better they become, the more comfortable you get, and the more you trust them and let your guard down. All it takes is that one time that it can't see something or interprets something wrong and you kill someone. I believe we are at the most dangerous stage of the process where these systems are getting good enough that they fool people that they are great.

 

[Pitbull2o08]

this is me as well. Mine expires in a few months. I am not purchasing glorified lane keep assist. BC for me has not been an added value. The constant yelling at me when I put my drink back in the cup holder, or check my side mirrors for more than a glance, ping ponging in the lane when someone enters in front of me, slamming on the brakes when someone enters my lane at the same speed to get the gap back to the setting, in and out of handsfree while on the same highway, not stopping for stopped traffic ahead, etc. Have full self driving on my Tesla Model S, Ford will never reach this level of automation. I am making complete drives in the Tesla without intervention or it making me nervous with its moves. Heck, on my last drive, it made decisions better than I would have.

Anyway, I have not received an OTA update since a failed one in September, visit to the dealer was pointless, my truck still POPS while parked and it cannot make up its mind what tones it wants to use on each drive. Unfortunately, I cannot find an electric truck that I like better.

are you sure then on your window sticker it says BC 36months? Mine does not. and alot of 2024's do.

 

[Maineiac12]

Ford Model reported a full-year EBIT loss of $4.7 billion on sales of 116,000 EVs, or an average of $40,525 per vehicle. I believe these were 23' numbers, I 'm sure the 24' numbers improved a little. However, this is not sustainable.

Those numbers are slightly misleading because they include the costs of building new factories and supply chains and don’t reflect actual loss per vehicle.

It’s tough. You do have to spend money to make money. R&D isn’t free and we’re in a massive transition period and companies will need to invest to position themselves for the future. US companies are at a disadvantage because investors focus on short term gains rather than the long term outlook. That’s why China has such an advantage. In addition to their government subsidies, they’re willing to sell at a loss now to own the market later.

 

[Brons2]

Those numbers are slightly misleading because they include the costs of building new factories and supply chains and don’t reflect actual loss per vehicle.

It’s tough. You do have to spend money to make money. R&D isn’t free and we’re in a massive transition period and companies will need to invest to position themselves for the future. US companies are at a disadvantage because investors focus on short term gains rather than the long term outlook. That’s why China has such an advantage. In addition to their government subsidies, they’re willing to sell at a loss now to own the market later.

IMO it is an error to unitize fixed costs such as R&D or facilities, but that's just my opinion.

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