Increased Range at 100%

[jimfigler]

Not exactly sure how my reaction is irrational when I saw a larger than normal number for the range when it is stated 230 and asked a question to learn about it.

The 256 is not a real number, it is an estimate and usually a poor estimate at that. Jump on a road and attempt to get those 256 miles. It is possible under the most ideal conditions, but I would not get too excited about it. If you drive 30-40 mph in stop and go traffic in 70F weather and zero wind on a flat road you will hit 256

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[evowner]

It's all relative.

 

[Psmith7279]

Not gonna lie really disappointing to see these some of these replies from some of you and how you’re mocking me about a valid question

they make software improvements throughout the vehicle to improve efficiency and battery range. Is it not reasonable to consider that they found ways to do that after I got my battery fixed and got a new software update? I never said it was an actual range. I’m well aware it’s an estimate and it fluctuates as it did when I started at 255 before leaving the house and it increased after hitting a stop light to 256.

I am on this forum to try and learn and if you don’t have anything that is productive and helpful then don’t reply. Some of us are trying to grow in our knowledge

 

[Caliber357x]

Not gonna lie really disappointing to see these some of these replies from some of you and how you’re mocking me about a valid question

they make software improvements throughout the vehicle to improve efficiency and battery range. Is it not reasonable to consider that they found ways to do that after I got my battery fixed and got a new software update? I never said it was an actual range. I’m well aware it’s an estimate and it fluctuates as it did when I started at 255 before leaving the house and it increased after hitting a stop light to 256.

I am on this forum to try and learn and if you don’t have anything that is productive and helpful then don’t reply. Some of us are trying to grow in our knowledge

Sorry people are being salty towards you. FWIW in the last few days when I charge to 100%, my ER battery range has been showing 337 miles, where it normally will show 303 to 320. Nothing has changed about my driving and I haven’t reset my driving stats recently.

 

[Psmith7279]

Sorry people are being salty towards you. FWIW in the last few days when I charge to 100%, my ER battery range has been showing 337 miles, where it normally will show 303 to 320. Nothing has changed about my driving and I haven’t reset my driving stats recently.

Thanks and that’s good to hear. Lets hope that they have been making incremental improvements so that we can be more trusting of the estimates that are on the display!

 

[Whammy Bar]

Thanks and that’s good to hear. Lets hope that they have been making incremental improvements so that we can be more trusting of the estimates that are on the display!

It is very highly unlikely they improve aerodynamics via a software update (unless the update is fixing your active air dam fault).

Sorry some of us are a little... testy.

 

[Caliber357x]

It is very highly unlikely they improve aerodynamics via a software update (unless the update is fixing your active air dam fault).

Sorry some of us are a little... testy.

Funny you mention that - I did swing by the dealer a few days ago and they said I had the active air dam fault and applied a PCM update to fix it. I stopped in originally because of the door noise issue and shifter issue, which they did not resolve

 

[chl]

i got my battery issue fixed (thanks for the help and guidance) and I charged my standard battery to 100% for the first time after the fix. The range jumped to 256! Is anyone else saying their range increase by that much because I thought the range was 230? Is it because of software updates and machine learning? ’22 Lariat w/ Standard Battery

If I recall, when I first picked up my SR Lightning Pro it said on the dash range 259 miles, it was charged to 100% by the dealership.

I only charge to 80% most of the time, 90% once or twice in the year I've owned it.

But since I have owned a 2012 Nissan Leaf since Dec 2011, I know to basically ignore the estimated range on the dash and go by the mile per kWh number I've been getting and how many kWh I may have at whatever the % charge is. The guess-o-meter seems to calculate using a recent segment of driving usage, maybe the last few miles or minutes, rather than the whole trip average miles per kWh to come up with the range, so it won't be a good estimate for my next comparable trip.

 

[chl]

He must have been towed! lol... I rarely top 2m/kWh..

Yes, I get 4.7 mi / kWh in my 2012 Nissan Leaf but only 2.7 in the lightning...maybe it was all downhill on the way home and he coasted a lot?

Seriously though, I sometimes leave my house in my 2012 Nissan Leaf on gradual inclining roads and then coast down a long steep hill coming home and end up with more range than when I left!

I guess the Leaf forgot the first law of thermodynamics? lol

 

[Jim Lewis]

Even if you could get more miles of range by charging to 100%, it probably wouldn't be worth it in the long term. That's about 94% of actual capacity based MickeyAO's comment once upon a time that when he charges to 85% on the dash, it's really about 80% of actual capacity. If you're planning on keeping your truck long-term, it'll be harder on the battery lifespan and even worse if you live in a hot part of the U.S. and let the truck sit around unshaded in black asphalt parking lots for long periods of time all charged up (when it's 95F out, the air just over the surface of an asphalt parking lot at the height of the day can be 130F to 140F). There's been debate about when the Lightning BMS kicks in and cools the truck's battery when the truck's not plugged in. Numbers like 115F and 120F have been batted around. That's another thing @Ford Motor Company could come clean on. They treat it like, "Don't you worry your silly little heads about such things. We've got you covered (but we won't tell you the details)..."

 

[chl]

Not gonna lie really disappointing to see these some of these replies from some of you and how you’re mocking me about a valid question

they make software improvements throughout the vehicle to improve efficiency and battery range. Is it not reasonable to consider that they found ways to do that after I got my battery fixed and got a new software update? I never said it was an actual range. I’m well aware it’s an estimate and it fluctuates as it did when I started at 255 before leaving the house and it increased after hitting a stop light to 256.

I am on this forum to try and learn and if you don’t have anything that is productive and helpful then don’t reply. Some of us are trying to grow in our knowledge

Sorry some were "mocking" you, we've all been in your boat when we got our first EV. The world has its share of unsympathetic and insensitive people, and forums are no exception. Some topics get the lions share of controversy and scorn. You just learned that range is one of them I guess. Chin up, and carry on.

After having my first EV for a few months (I first got my 2012 Nissan Leaf back in Dec 2011) I learned that the range estimate displayed on the dash is just an estimate, and people referred to it as a "guess-o-meter."

The computation of the range estimate is based on a number of things, none of them exactly knowable (like Plato's shadows on the wall parable). The most significant one seems to be the most recent driving data. So if you drive like I do, slow accelerations and stops, local roads no highway, you'll get a high range estimate. But if I head on on the highway looking for adventure my range estimate will drop precipitously because I am using energy faster than before.

Anyway, now after 13 plus years of EV experience, I basically ignore the estimated range and focus on the mile per kWh, knowing that my 80% state of charge in my relatively new truck will get me there and back.

I have the SR battery. It is rated at 98kWh energy capacity at 100%. I generally don't charge to more than 80% (80% is about 78.4kWh) and I avoid discharging more than 50% points (down to about 30% or 29.4kWh) before recharging (both of those practices supposedly extend battery lifespan according to experts).

I know I get about 2.7 miles per kWh in Winter here in relatively mild northern Virginia. If I stick with my plan, using no more than 78.4-29.4=49kWh (the 80% to 30%), I can go 2.7 x 49 = 132.3 miles.

Since I just drive locally, that is plenty, so I never worry about range, and just enjoy driving the Lightning without stressing.

Take care.

 

[Chillguy]

I agree.. My Lightning is my 5th EV since 2012.. I had both generations of Chevy Volt and 2 Chevy Bolts when I lived in NYC.. Both models awesome, awesome cars! I used to routinely get over 4mi/hWh out of my Bolts in NYC stop and go traffic.. HOWEVER, I got my amazing Lightning after I moved to TX and I routinely get about 2mi/kwh as I love to floor it as often as possible to experience that mind blowing 0-60 in 4 seconds acceleration!.. When I tow I never get more than 1,5mi/kWh... But oh my!.. It tows beautifully too!..

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