Power-Up 4.2.1 - Precondition Alert failed updates

[Mike G]

For the uninitiated like me, what does the GWM do? It sounds like it’s mostly a CAN BUS firewall equivalent thing and shouldn’t really have any user visible impact. Perhaps it allows other modules to be updated? Or it could be a totally not OTA related at all and just some fix Ford wanted all cars to have?

It's the network controller for the whole truck.

All updates downloaded by the TCU are staged in the gateway (GWM) and then processed.

Any new features that will be enabled mean the GWM has to be updated befire the module with the new features can be enabled.

It's why GWM updates almost always precede new APIM updates. Sometimes there are back-to-back GWM updates but the sequence "normally" is GWM, APIM and then a TCU update if necessary.

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[9onmy6]

Good to know. I’ll just wait out and see if it ever downloads. App says Update Successful but truck shows ready for dl.

A week later. Still showing ‘Download Ready’. Sent the Feedback from truckster. BMS reset, fuse 32, blah blah. Next is move trickle charger from bike to POS.

 

[Mike G]

A week later. Still showing ‘Download Ready’. Sent the Feedback from truckster. BMS reset, fuse 32, blah blah. Next is move trickle charger from bike to POS.

When does your truck check for updates?

 

[9onmy6]

When does your truck check for updates?

It is set to Automatic, everyday of week @ 1am. The default setting.

 

[Mike G]

It is set to Automatic, everyday of week @ 1am. The default setting.

Try changing it to a time when your 12V battery isn't below 80% state of charge, and you're likely to be driving the truck, like during a commute in an area with at least 3 bars of AT&T. Say 0800 everyday. Updates don't come over Wi-Fi no matter what Ford suggests to the contrary. They only come through the TCU modem (for security reasons) and if your 12V battery is below 80% SOC the logic prevents the update. So if it's checking and downloading while you're driving, your 12V battery is back up to charge and whatever update downloads during the drive it will process the next time you park and shutdown.

 

[SmoothJ]

Try changing it to a time when your 12V battery isn't below 80% state of charge, and you're likely to be driving the truck, like during a commute in an area with at least 3 bars of AT&T. Say 0800 everyday. Updates don't come over Wi-Fi no matter what Ford suggests to the contrary. They only come through the TCU modem (for security reasons) and if your 12V battery is below 80% SOC the logic prevents the update. So if it's checking and downloading while you're driving, your 12V battery is back up to charge and whatever update downloads during the drive it will process the next time you park and shutdown.

I beg to differ on the updates don’t come over Wi-Fi. In fact, that’s where major my updates comes from. My truck just updated to 4.2.1, and I saw the update download to the truck.

 

[wapple24]

Having the exact same issue, wonder how many people have been updated and still have the old UI...

The same thing happened to me. Old UI and no updates pending! So frustrating.

 

[TaxmanHog]

I beg to differ on the updates don’t come over Wi-Fi. In fact, that’s where major my updates comes from. My truck just updated to 4.2.1, and I saw the update download to the truck.

Is your truck on or off when the download's occur?

 

[Mike G]

I beg to differ on the updates don’t come over Wi-Fi. In fact, that’s where major my updates comes from. My truck just updated to 4.2.1, and I saw the update download to the truck.

So what is it that's being downloaded? My car and truck are on my home Wi-Fi as well but those size files in your example are extremely small compared to what GWM, APIM, and TCU update sizes are. Most APIM updates are between 3-6.5 GB as an example.

I stand by my assertion that updates specifically come only through the TCU, and it's for security reasons to prevent man-in-the middle attacks.

 

[SmoothJ]

Is your truck on or off when the download's occur?

Off, but charging/connected to EVSE, and obviously connected to the wireless. Usually it stays active on the wireless for a little bit after I come home, and then intermittently through the night.

So what is it that's being downloaded? My car and truck are on my home Wi-Fi as well but those size files in your example are extremely small compared to what GWM, APIM, and TCU update sizes are. Most APIM updates are between 3-6.5 GB as an example.

I stand by my assertion that updates specifically come only through the TCU, and it's for security reasons to prevent man-in-the middle attacks.

Perhaps the updates are small for a reason, and require multiple downloads vs a single download. Reminds me of torrents, and how it downloads chunks at a time. It could also just download the package that it needs vs the full package that you would get with FRDS. It could even be some type of hybrid system too, and depending your connection speed it will figure out what is faster and use that. I have a 6G up/down symmetrical internet with 4 APs covering my whole house, but my phone signal is usually pretty poor.

Regardless, I did receive a very large update in October, which was over 3G in size:

Also, I didn't start doing much data/logging retention before. This is the full graph showing downloads starting on 10/1/2022. As you can see, there are very minor spikes along with the way, but nothing like the 3G download in October. I picked up the truck in July 2022, and went on vacation shortly after.

 

[Mike G]

Go see your service advisor and ask to see the OTA Dashboard for your vehicle.
It's gonna look like this:

See the part that notes whether Wi-Fi is required?

I don't care who's VIN you look up none of them will say that Wi-Fi was required. And there's no conclusive proof that any OTA has ever downloaded using Wi-Fi. Does your truck connect to Wi-Fi to do something. Yes. Is it to download OTAs? There is no evidence that this has ever happened on a Lightning or Mach-E.

The 'campaign failure' in this pic was because I used FDRS to do the APIM update after the OTA had already started to download.

 

[WhiteBolt]

I have a 22' Pro which hasn't received any updates or update notices since Jan. 21 2023.
Where do I find my update version details?
All I can find is " Ford Power-Up 22-PU1110-SNC-RS"
The title doesn't look anything like 4.2.XXX

 

[Mike G]

I have a 22' Pro which hasn't received any updates or update notices since Jan. 21 2023.
Where do I find my update version details?
All I can find is " Ford Power-Up 22-PU1110-SNC-RS"
The title doesn't look anything like 4.2.XXX

Some of the OTAs aren't numbered in the way you'd expect.

Attached are the notes for the one you're referring to.

 

[Mike G]

Off, but charging/connected to EVSE, and obviously connected to the wireless. Usually it stays active on the wireless for a little bit after I come home, and then intermittently through the night.



Perhaps the updates are small for a reason, and require multiple downloads vs a single download. Reminds me of torrents, and how it downloads chunks at a time. It could also just download the package that it needs vs the full package that you would get with FRDS. It could even be some type of hybrid system too, and depending your connection speed it will figure out what is faster and use that. I have a 6G up/down symmetrical internet with 4 APs covering my whole house, but my phone signal is usually pretty poor.

Regardless, I did receive a very large update in October, which was over 3G in size:

Also, I didn't start doing much data/logging retention before. This is the full graph showing downloads starting on 10/1/2022. As you can see, there are very minor spikes along with the way, but nothing like the 3G download in October. I picked up the truck in July 2022, and went on vacation shortly after.

So after this 3GB download in October did you get a notification that a PowerUp had successfully completed?

 

[WhiteBolt]

Some of the OTAs aren't numbered in the way you'd expect.

Attached are the notes for the one you're referring to.

I have those notes in Ford Pass under "update details"
So, updates are labeled differently, where do I find which version software I'm running that corresponds to the version everyone on the forums is talking about? I looked in Ford Pass and also in the truck's dashboard interface.

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