Seeking input on range of new Lariat

[infinihertz]

Hi,

I'm a Mach-E owner and only joined this forum to try to get some information for my friend. He had an ICE F-150 and it was totaled in an accident, so he decided to lease a Lightning (2024 Lariat) a few weeks ago. He told the salesperson that he knew it wouldn't get the 320 mile range in the winter, but he does drive a lot for work - not towing anything, no one else in the truck - and the farthest he typically goes in a day is 100 miles each way, 200 round trip. So he wanted to ensure that if he had nothing in the bed and wasn't towing anything, he could still hit the low 200s in winter. He was assured it wouldn't hit 320 unless in ideal conditions, but he should easily clear 200, even in winter.

He's done a few such trips now, and after driving to his destination, which has been 95 miles the past few times, it shows 30-35% charge left when he arrives, so he stops to charge before returning. The implication is that the total charge might only be around 140 miles. When he leaves home, the truck is fully charged to 100% and he has a heated garage at 62 degrees. It's been in the 20s and 30s where he is, so not warm, but not below zero.

Is only ~140 miles of highway range (probably driving in the 70s mph) in 20-40 degree weather typical, even if not towing or having anything in the bed? He's trying to determine if he was lied to, if it's defective, if he has any recourse, etc.

Thanks!

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[B177y]

Based on the information you provide, I agree with your assumption that he should be getting in the low 200 mile range when charged to 100% at this time of year.

Before assuming something is wrong with the truck, eliminate these variables or try to get your friend to try some changes in his routine:

Set a departure time with the level of cabin comfort that he wants. Even though it's in a heated garage, this will maximize his range. It will also save battery energy from being used for climate control.

Find out where he sets his climate control. Running high fan and high heat for the entire drive can suck battery. Try 72 deg and "Auto low" for climate and use heated seats/heated steering wheel. Adjust climate warmer sparingly, and adjust cooler at will.

How fast is his drive? If he's driving 80 mph or more the entire way, then yes, his low range is too be expected. If it's a mix of city and 60 mph highway, he should be getting in the low 200's as assumed above.

Check to see if he drives with windows open or something like that. The aerodynamic hit and climate use with a window open, even just a little, can hurt efficiency.

 

[Jseis]

I commute 100 miles a day, rural roads. Tough to average over 50 mph. I can easily get 240 miles of range charging to 85% in mid 20’s F by:

Pre warming cabin “warm” for departure.
Preconditioning battery in morning.
Use steering wheel and seat heat
Use cabin heat very sparingly: 1 bar auto say at 64 degrees. And run at about 10%-20% duty cycle. a pain but works.
Dress warmly.

Speed kills range. An average of 60-65 mph might work.

 

[Firn]

I run a non-heated garage that when the temp is in the teens the garage is in the 40s. With this setup it does NOT heat the battery.

Even at that i have very controlled testing that shows that at 20F and 70mph I am getting 1.4 to 1.5 miles per kwh. Or with an ER battery at least 185 miles to a 100% charge (131kwh, 1.4mi/kwh)

This is with the cabin set to 70f (auto 1, 2 or 3 doesn't make a difference).

A couple of things may be at play here
-He should precondition. Even just turning the truck on while on the charger will start warming the battery and give him more range.
-Slow down a little. I bet he drives fast.
-Raise the tire pressure. It won't make a difference, but he will think it does.
-Set the battery to 100% charge. I bet it's set to 90% to give a long battery life. He can do that in the summer, right now he needs range.
-Drop his cabin temp a bit. Drop 5 degrees and use the seat heaters more.
-Slow down

 

[Jseis]

Firn is right on tire pressure. I run 43-44 psi and like to think it helps.. and a tonneau. lol.

 

[infinihertz]

Okay, thanks everyone! I'll be happy for any other feedback if if people have any, but this is really helpful to share with him.

 

[Grease Lightning]

Lightning (2024 Lariat)

I guess I will ask, are you sure he got the ER version over the SR version that is for sale?

I ask cause that range for percentage is low for an ER. A lightning should easily get 1.5 m/kW with reasonable temp and only 70 mph. So over 200 miles. To only get 90 miles at 70% of the battery that is closer to the smaller battery at 1.5 m/kW.

 

[infinihertz]

I guess I will ask, are you sure he got the ER version over the SR version that is for sale?

I ask cause that range for percentage is low for an ER. A lightning should easily get 1.5 m/kW with reasonable temp and only 70 mph. So over 200 miles. To only get 90 miles at 70% of the battery that is closer to the smaller battery at 1.5 m/kW.

My understanding is that the ER battery is standard on Lariat. He told me he was only looking at ER models. That said, I'll confirm.

On a couple other points people made, he said he charges to the full 100% before days he has long road trips, rather than 90%. But I doubt he's preconditioning or doing any of the other suggestions.

 

[bmwhitetx]

I guess I will ask, are you sure he got the ER version over the SR version that is for sale?

They eliminated the SR Lariat trim in 2024. Also XLT is SR only. Flash is the old XLT ER with some tech goodies.

 

[Whistler]

The cold weather performance of EVs are abysmal at this time, and this is coming from someone in Orlando FL.

My personal experience with both a Tesla S100D and an F150L Lariat are that you’ll get 2/3 advertised range in wintertime, with the lowest daytime lows being mid-40s(F) and driving in a manner consistent with any other vehicle.

Yes, you can increase range by bundling up and using minimal heat, driving under the limit in the right lane, etc… but to me , time and comfort = $. Personally the more concessions I have to make, the more indicators I’ve made the wrong choice. YMMV.

Here’s a screenshot of my dash GOM. 50/50 Mixed city/HW and minimal use of heat with temps in the 50s here in CFL.

Hi,

I'm a Mach-E owner and only joined this forum to try to get some information for my friend. He had an ICE F-150 and it was totaled in an accident, so he decided to lease a Lightning (2024 Lariat) a few weeks ago. He told the salesperson that he knew it wouldn't get the 320 mile range in the winter, but he does drive a lot for work - not towing anything, no one else in the truck - and the farthest he typically goes in a day is 100 miles each way, 200 round trip. So he wanted to ensure that if he had nothing in the bed and wasn't towing anything, he could still hit the low 200s in winter. He was assured it wouldn't hit 320 unless in ideal conditions, but he should easily clear 200, even in winter.

He's done a few such trips now, and after driving to his destination, which has been 95 miles the past few times, it shows 30-35% charge left when he arrives, so he stops to charge before returning. The implication is that the total charge might only be around 140 miles. When he leaves home, the truck is fully charged to 100% and he has a heated garage at 62 degrees. It's been in the 20s and 30s where he is, so not warm, but not below zero.

Is only ~140 miles of highway range (probably driving in the 70s mph) in 20-40 degree weather typical, even if not towing or having anything in the bed? He's trying to determine if he was lied to, if it's defective, if he has any recourse, etc.

Thanks!

 

[MeanGeneO]

Hi,

I'm a Mach-E owner and only joined this forum to try to get some information for my friend. He had an ICE F-150 and it was totaled in an accident, so he decided to lease a Lightning (2024 Lariat) a few weeks ago. He told the salesperson that he knew it wouldn't get the 320 mile range in the winter, but he does drive a lot for work - not towing anything, no one else in the truck - and the farthest he typically goes in a day is 100 miles each way, 200 round trip. So he wanted to ensure that if he had nothing in the bed and wasn't towing anything, he could still hit the low 200s in winter. He was assured it wouldn't hit 320 unless in ideal conditions, but he should easily clear 200, even in winter.

He's done a few such trips now, and after driving to his destination, which has been 95 miles the past few times, it shows 30-35% charge left when he arrives, so he stops to charge before returning. The implication is that the total charge might only be around 140 miles. When he leaves home, the truck is fully charged to 100% and he has a heated garage at 62 degrees. It's been in the 20s and 30s where he is, so not warm, but not below zero.

Is only ~140 miles of highway range (probably driving in the 70s mph) in 20-40 degree weather typical, even if not towing or having anything in the bed? He's trying to determine if he was lied to, if it's defective, if he has any recourse, etc.

Thanks!

My Lariat stays outside year round. Currently warming at the moment. In these climates, getting a little over 200 range has been my experience on long drives. A lot depends on how you drive, though. I really stick the speed limit and utilize the blue cruise to maintain some consistency.

 

[Henry Ford]

I figure 250 miles of range from 100%-0% in the summer and 200 miles in the winter. This is 1.9 m/kWh and 1.5 m/kWh respectively.

My estimate takes temperature and the way I drive into account but it doesn't factor wind. If you are driving 70 mph over the road with a 20 mph headwind, you will need enough power to go 90 mph. This makes sense when written but isn't intuitive when you are driving down the road wondering why your range estimate is decreasing so quickly. Flags, trees, and wind noise in the cabin are hints as to what the wind is doing.

 

[Alan168]

I agree with everyone's tips on how to get the most range. I have a '22 Platinum and this is my 3rd winter with the cold temps of New England. Nearly 3 full years of data consistently show I can only count on 62-65% of the GOM range after it has been charged. I drive mixed highway/city and keep my highway speed around 67mph. The heat is set to 66 degrees and I use heated seats if necessary. I usually charge to 80% in winter (70% in the summer) and the GOM usually shows 220 -240 miles of range.

My winter range experience is essentially identical to your friend's.

P.S. My summer data shows I can rely on about 90% of the GOM range after charging.

 

[VTbuckeye]

What's his VIN? We can tell what battery he actually has on the truck from the VIN. Actually we don't need the last 8 digits.

 

[infinihertz]

What's his VIN? We can tell what battery he actually has on the truck from the VIN. Actually we don't need the last 8 digits.

I assume it will say ER because I thought all 2024 Lariats are supposed to be ER, but the first digits are 1FT6W5L72.

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