I will most likely cancel my reservation, I refuse to pay MSRP + ADM at Koon’s Ford

[astricklin]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic, but if consumers are overcharged on average $500 x 150,000 reservations, it is a $75,000,000 transfer of wealth from the consumer. This doesn’t even factor in the Bronco or other brands.

Ya and 150,000 at $70k (I'm guessing this will be about the average price) is a $10.5 billion transfer of wealth. Too bad we are getting nothing of value in return. And I'm sure all that money is just going to go straight into the pockets of billionaires running Ford. Guess we better make the government force Ford to give them to us for free........?

But seriously who's getting 'overcharged'? If you don't like the price, don't buy the vehicle.

I agree with you that the practice of jacking up the price when the vehicle shows up is a bunch of crap, but you're not being forced to do anything. Now, if you had a contract signed and they suddenly sprung something on you that's different, but the terms so far have clearly stated that there is no contract and you have not agreed upon a price and there's no guarantee that you will even ever get a vehicle. Technically and legally Ford could decide tomorrow that they aren't even going to build the thing and then have everyone's reservation deposit refunded.

If you're that concerned, get the dealership that you order from agree to a price in writing at the time you place the order. Even that may not legally be enough to prevent the dealership from attempting to get more money for the vehicle once it arrives.
If you're really really that concerned, wait till the vehicle is readily available and you can get one at a discount like you could with an f150 in the past.
Nobody, absolutely nobody NEEDS a new truck.

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[FordLightning]

Dude..seriously, slow your roll. NO ONE has been overcharged anything on Lightnings because none have been sold yet. None have even been ordered yet. Ford and/or their dealers are allowed to charge whatever they dang well please for a vehicle..its called capitalism. Its called the free market. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy or choose anything.

Oh, and it states very clearly in the reservation that it was NOT an order and did not guarantee pricing. IF (BIG IF) you were to have a contract with a dealer and they backtracked..THEN you may have some recourse thru breach of contract or some sort of arbitration.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here, but no one promised you a first year lightning. No one promised you a lightning at MSRP. Just my opinion, but coming on here moaning and complaining in multiple threads before the damn thing has even been ordered, much less produced(still at least 4-6mths away) isn't going to help you get closer to what you want.

Who is moaning & complaining? Do you work for a dealer?

Supposedly the order banks will open up tomorrow and then is when I would be overcharged if I can’t switch dealers. Of course, I can cancel and wait for 2024 models.

 

[greenne]

What changed, is the restriction on moving orders. This is not a patience issue. I’ve waited 6-months and will most likely wait more than a year.

You're taking that from one source..at one dealer. That's not what Ford is saying. Moreover, no one is restricting you from moving your order...no one has ordered anything yet.

As far as RESERVATIONS goes..even if accept this as truth(I don't)....you said it yourself that this applies to reservations for 2022s...you could choose to transfer you reservation to a 2023 to save the $500.....

 

[FordLightning]

Have you called Ford directly? If so, try again. I don't think the dealers themselves have say over your reservation, especially "locking" it. Seems super shady to me, others expecting a 2022 have been allowed to transfer multiple times.

Please look at the other thread that warns about what happened to Bronco orders and the move to allocation by Ford. This is a very recent occurrence.

I tried reaching Ford on Saturday (but they were closed) and on hold as we speak. Normally, if a consumer isn’t happy with the dealer they can easily go somewhere else. At the moment, that does not appear to be true.

 

[Snakebitten]

Then there is this(in case you had hopes of getting a Rivian quicker)--

https://insideevs.com/news/542908/rivian-production-numbers-first-month/

Can you even imagine the outcry if Ford built the Lightning at the scale (2 per day) of the niche EV only manufacturers?

I don't think most people actually understand the insane math behind Ford's F150 manufacturing prowess. If you divide 550,000 by 365 days?

1500 per DAY! (365 days too)
That's more than one per minute.
Something like 47 seconds?

If you gotta job at Ford and all you were supposed to do is PARK each truck outside of the building, you could never do it. Lol

Anyways, yea, for those ready to bail on the Lightning because Ford isn't in a big enough hurry to get one in your driveway, good luck with the competitors production prowess.

Ford has been at the mass-production game for a century.

 

[greenne]

Who is moaning & complaining? Do you work for a dealer?

Supposedly the order banks will open up tomorrow and then is when I would be overcharged if I can’t switch dealers. Of course, I can cancel and wait for 2024 models.

No I don't work for a dealer.

I'm just a guy who lives in reality, not one who is pitching a fit over not being able to do what he wants...

 

[FordLightning]

You're taking that from one source..at one dealer. That's not what Ford is saying. Moreover, no one is restricting you from moving your order...no one has ordered anything yet.

As far as RESERVATIONS goes..even if accept this as truth(I don't)....you said it yourself that this applies to reservations for 2022s...you could choose to transfer you reservation to a 2023 to save the $500.....

Have you been participating in this forum? There is a whole thread on the allocation issue. Initially the main warning was people could lose their place in line (not get 2022 models), now it appears some dealers are being instructed to refuse transfers. Yes, I have this in writing.

 

[FordLightning]

Can you even imagine the outcry if Ford built the Lightning at the scale (2 per day) of the niche EV only manufacturers?

I don't think most people actually understand the insane math behind Ford's F150 manufacturing prowess. If you divide 550,000 by 365 days?

1500 per DAY! (365 days too)
That's more than one per minute.
Something like 47 seconds?

If you gotta job at Ford and all you were supposed to do is PARK the each truck outside of the building, you could never do it. Lol

Anyways, yea, for those ready to bail on the Lightning because Ford isn't in a big enough hurry to get one in your driveway, good luck with the competitors production prowess.

Ford has been at the mass-production game for a century.

Please send me $500 and this insanity stops today. Thanks, I appreciate your generosity!

 

[greenne]

Please look at the other thread that warns about what happened to Bronco orders and the move to allocation by Ford. This is a very recent occurrence.

I tried reaching Ford on Saturday (but they were closed) and on hold as we speak. Normally, if a consumer isn’t happy with the dealer they can easily go somewhere else. At the moment, that does not appear to be true.

Just because it happened with the Bronco doesn't mean it will happen with the Lightning. *Hopefully* Ford learned something. However, your whole argument(right now) is not being able to transfer your RESERVATION..which you feel unfair. There is nothing in that thread(I saw) regarding Bronco that dealt with that particular issue.

You can go to another dealer..easily. You just (according to ONLY you) can't get in front of everyone else and you' think that's unfair...

 

[Bippers]

Who cares if you cancel your order all that means is more people get theirs one sooner. Stop complaining about the game and deal with the cards you are dealt. If you don't like the hand you are given then fold. You can always come back later or buy something else.

 

[Snakebitten]

So it IS about the $500

And $500 that you have never spent. So how could someone owe it to you?

If I sent you the $500 it would make this forum less enjoyable.

 

[shutterbug]

This was communicated to Chapman Ford in a meeting, they are not allowed to take my transfer. That is my whole point…this practice should be illegal, I have no ability to negotiate and my option is limited to walking away.

You are not saying who actually told you that. Was it someone at Ford? Was it someone at Chapman? A salesman? General Manager? The guy wiping windshields?

I can try to switch to a different dealer but they will face similar restrictions.

Again, who told you that? There have been numerous reports here of individuals switching dealers (in some cases multiple times). None reported that their new dealer refused to accept their reservation. I think that includes people who switched to Chapman Ford (PA).

I may need to escalate to the Department of Commerce.

If you mean US Department of Commerce, I think they're too busy shipping US jobs to China

 

[FordLightning]

You are not saying who actually told you that. Was it someone at Ford? Was it someone at Chapman? A salesman? General Manager? The guy wiping windshields?

Again, who told you that? There have been numerous reports here of individuals switching dealers (in some cases multiple times). None reported that their new dealer refused to accept their reservation. I think that includes people who switched to Chapman Ford (PA).

If you mean US Department of Commerce, I think they're too busy shipping US jobs to China

I was trying to keep a good dealer from getting flack. Chapman Ford was told by Ford management they are not allowed to accept reservation transfers. If anyone is successful after Saturday, please let me know.

My 3 local dealers won’t confirm terms prior to tranferring.

 

[shutterbug]

I was trying to keep a good dealer from getting flack. Chapman Ford was told by Ford management they are not allowed to accept reservation transfers. If anyone is successful after Saturday, please let me know.

You still won't say who at Chapman told you this. Did you call Ford and ask? This seems bonkers.

 

[FordLightning]

You still won't say who at Chapman told you this. Did you call Ford and ask? This seems bonkers.

I can…Ashlie Ryan, Tom Borah, Steven Wepryk, and Courtney Kaczor from Chapman Ford.

That said, I finally managed to transfer my reservation to a MSRP dealer with no ADM (Bob Davidson Ford in Parkville, MD).

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