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It isn't a lease - it is a balloon payment loan with a buyback equal to the balloon payment. Per the Ford website, excess mileage and wear charges apply, but no mention of the actual residual value at loan end.

https://www.ford.com/finance/finance-options/ford-options/
Right. It sounds like an open-end lease by a different name. It’s the no mention about residual I’m questioning. Open ended leases have a balloon payment (residual) at the end too. I’ll ask dealer for details as I’m curious. I’ll post what the dealer says when they reply.
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I don't really understand intentionally generating taxable events in order to get them then refunded. It's a zero net gain. If I am going to be doing these things anyway, then yes, I should time them accordingly. However if I have no intention of doing either of those things then it makes no sense to do them just to get the taxes back that I never would have had to pay.
If you take a withdrawal from regular IRA, all of your withdrawals are taxable as ordinary income. Withdrawals from Roth IRA are not taxed, including any earnings. Also Roth IRAs are not subject MRD withdrawals. So, by converting you are improving your tax situation in the future.
 

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You just give it back at the agreed buy out price (assuming condition and mileage are good). This is a big part of what makes Ford options so attractive - it transfers all of the risk to Ford - great residual value - buy it out and sell/trade/keep it. horrible residual value - Ford eats the difference!
This 100%^^ Not only do you get lower payments, but all the risk is on Ford. If the truck is "worth"(Market value) more than residuals, buy it and sell for a profit. If its "worth" less than residuals...give it back to Ford and they eat the loss.

EVs are a huge unknown. What will the market look like 4yrs from now? If battery technology moves slow then the value will be higher, but if battery technology move quick and the Lightning is competing against new vehicles that go 500mi on a charge and recharge in 15min it value will plummet.
 

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This 100%^^ Not only do you get lower payments, but all the risk is on Ford. If the truck is "worth"(Market value) more than residuals, buy it and sell for a profit. If its "worth" less than residuals...give it back to Ford and they eat the loss.

EVs are a huge unknown. What will the market look like 4yrs from now? If battery technology moves slow then the value will be higher, but if battery technology move quick and the Lightning is competing against new vehicles that go 500mi on a charge and recharge in 15min it value will plummet.
I thought the residual was set at "lease" start. If its not, then whats the point of announcing them 3-4yr in advance?
 

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I thought the residual was set at "lease" start. If its not, then whats the point of announcing them 3-4yr in advance?
It is set at start - what @greenne is saying is that if the truck is worth more than that preset value at the end of the period - keep it. If not, then let Ford eat it.
 

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It is set at start - what @greenne is saying is that if the truck is worth more than that preset value at the end of the period - keep it. If not, then let Ford eat it.
As always ..read the fine print....but I'm pretty sure both you and Ford "agree" to what the residual value at the end of the lease when you sign for it at delivery (sans mileage and usage issues). I can't see Ford being able to get away with changing that "on the fly".
 

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The residual value chart states effective 1/4-3/31.

Will be interesting to see how the values are updated when the Lightnings actually start to be delivered to retail customers.
 

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I’m definitely curious as to what these options payments will be for each trim level, as well as if ford 100% eats the cost if the truck is upside down at the end of the term. Just wish ford wouldn’t bundle so many options to the ER batteries.
 

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I’m definitely curious as to what these options payments will be for each trim level, as well as if ford 100% eats the cost if the truck is upside down at the end of the term. Just wish ford wouldn’t bundle so many options to the ER batteries.
Payments will depend on what you put down. Ford takes the truck back when your term is up or you pay the ballon payment. You choice. I used a similar program Audi had back in 2004, and 3 years later, I turned the car back in because it was worth less then the final ballon payment. I wasn't attached to the car so it was easy to walk away.
 

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And how does the mileage selection work? Initial payments based on mileage cap selected, and if you go over you have to pay the difference in residual percentage at time of balloon payment/turn in? Or is it a worse penalty than if you had made a proper selection to begin with?
 

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The residual value chart states effective 1/4-3/31.

Will be interesting to see how the values are updated when the Lightnings actually start to be delivered to retail customers.
I think that means it applies to sales(deliveries) 1/4 - 3/31, theoretically a 2023 model could be worth more after 3yrs than a 2022 after 3 yrs, etc. As an aside, I wonder if a "wave 1" 2023 would be more valuable than a wave 6 2022 model? If I was chosen in wave 6 I wonder if it would be prudent(but risky) to roll your reservation to a 2023?
 

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And how does the mileage selection work? Initial payments based on mileage cap selected, and if you go over you have to pay the difference in residual percentage at time of balloon payment/turn in? Or is it a worse penalty than if you had made a proper selection to begin with?
My take-- Like a lease you pay a penalty for excess mileage and/or condition.. but that would only apply if you turn the vehicle in. I've known a few people that ended up buying their lease because they had busted mileage it made it worth it to go ahead and purchase...
 

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Why not?

It's still offered on the Mach-E.

Just a guess... Ford doesn't really need to offer people money to use Ford Options to buy the F150. With how much demand it has, they could get away with charging people and still have takers :)
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