F-150 Lightning Tows 10K Pounds Up Colorado's Super Ike Gauntlet on Coldest February Day in 123 Years

[RickLightning]

It looked like 128 miles with roughly 65% battery left.

128/.65=197

197/320=61.6% or 38.4% decrease in range due to towing.[/QUOTE]

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[Ruination]

Context buddy....that picture means nothing. Is that coasting downhill? In the hot Temps? Its a valid question.

Lets see.

98 degrees.
128 miles at ~70% charge
Motors clearly on power.

Yea its going downhill.

 

[Dadofjax]

Patience, grasshopper.

People are getting their vehicles in a few months and you are ok not knowing the range when towing? Or towing in cold temperatures? Or towing up hills?

When do you think that information should be supplied to the consumers?

 

[adoublee]

So are we reading this as 128 on guess o meter with about 62.5% SOC at 98degF and 10,000 lbs load on flat terrain? Think this backs out to 205 miles from 100% SOC?

 

[Dadofjax]

Lets see.

98 degrees.
128 miles at ~70% charge
Motors clearly on power.

Yea its going downhill.

So not in cold temperatures which would decrease the battery life. Like I said no context not sure why you are getting so worked up over a valid question. Nodody knocked the Lightning here just asking valid questions.

You will be OK I promise.

 

[Ruination]

So are we reading this as 128 on guess o meter with about 62.5% SOC at 98degF and 10,000 lbs load on flat terrain? Think this backs out to 205 miles from 100% SOC?

That's about how I would read it using context clues.

 

[LightningShow]

People are getting their vehicles in a few months and you are ok not knowing the range when towing? Or towing in cold temperatures? Or towing up hills?

When do you thar information should be supplied to the consumers?

There is plenty of information available to assess the approximate range loss while towing in various conditions. The F-150 doesn't have some magical gnomes in the battery that will make it perform any differently than any other EV while towing. Just like everything else, we need to wait until the trucks are on the road to get detailed tests of the performance.

 

[Bullitt4859]

So this is basic math but looking at that picture with the 128 mile range and battery life being between 75-50% (I used 62.5%) the "theoretical" math would have full battery range at 204.8 miles

 

[Snakebitten]

The towing prowess debate for EV trucks is inevitable. No doubt. It'll be entertaining.

Most 4WD trucks never go off road.
Most 1/2 ton trucks never put a sleeve in the tow hitch.
And for that small percentage of folks that actually DO tow with their 1/2 ton trucks (RV's and Boat people), they might be curious about the EV truck's towing prowess, but they aren't going to be the early adopters.

Still, it'll be fun to watch the keyboard war.

 

[Ruination]

The towing prowess debate for EV trucks is inevitable. No doubt. It'll be entertaining.

Most 4WD trucks never go off road.
Most 1/2 ton trucks never put a sleeve in the tow hitch.
And for that small percentage of folks that actually DO tow with their 1/2 ton trucks (RV's and Boat people), they might be curious about the EV truck's towing prowess, but they aren't going to be the early adopters.

Still, it'll be fun to watch the keyboard war.

If you tow long distance regularly an EV truck would be an absolutely horrendous idea and that should be common knowledge.

But so would any F-150.

 

[adoublee]

The towing prowess debate for EV trucks is inevitable. No doubt. It'll be entertaining.

Most 4WD trucks never go off road.
Most 1/2 ton trucks never put a sleeve in the tow hitch.
And for that small percentage of folks that actually DO tow with their 1/2 ton trucks (RV's and Boat people), they might be curious about the EV truck's towing prowess, but they aren't going to be the early adopters.

Still, it'll be fun to watch the keyboard war.

How DARE you.

 

[Nick Gerteis]

This range loss is not bad at all considering the towing situation. I would’ve expected at least 50% loss, this is significantly better.

 

[FlasherZ]

It will be interesting to see the Ike test. The issue TFL had in the Rivian was that the regen seemed to be getting overwhelmed on the steep downhill sections which prevented them from getting back a lot of the range they lost in the uphill section. The F-150 could do significantly better if they are able to capture all the regen on the downhill sections.

When I take my Tesla Model S through the mountains, the regen capability exceeds even the steepest slope on the mountain drives we've taken and it feels odd but you have to maintain pressure on the accelerator or you slow down on the downhill. I sure hope the F-150 without trailer can accomplish the same, because it's a beautiful thing to watch the range climb up when you know everyone else is turning motion to heat with their brakes (and/or burning fuel via engine braking).

I'm unsure whether another 5 tons in a trailer pushing the truck down a mountain will be able to manage full regen, though.

Another aspect in which I'm interested is the control aspect of downhill in very bad rain/snow. In Tesla cars, I've had to set my regen to "low" in some particularly bad slushy weather, as letting off the accelerator completely can result in regen locking the wheels up. The computers have gotten better at preventing this, but it's another reason regen gets limited in bad weather.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

The towing prowess debate for EV trucks is inevitable. No doubt. It'll be entertaining.

Most 4WD trucks never go off road.
Most 1/2 ton trucks never put a sleeve in the tow hitch.
And for that small percentage of folks that actually DO tow with their 1/2 ton trucks (RV's and Boat people), they might be curious about the EV truck's towing prowess, but they aren't going to be the early adopters.

Still, it'll be fun to watch the keyboard war.

Right and wrong. One of the first Lightning deliveries in Florida will almost never be driven without towing a 9,100 trailer. And it will pull away from the dealer on its first drive pulling that trailer. That's my deal with the dealer. They will fully charge the truck prior to delivery. I will tow my boat to the delivery with the current '21 KR PB. They get my trade ('21 PB at original MSRP back to them with 8,000 miles) IF the Lightning goes to 50% charge at 60 miles distance towing. If not, I keep both trucks.

 

[PungoteagueDave]

When I take my Tesla Model S through the mountains, the regen capability exceeds even the steepest slope on the mountain drives we've taken and it feels odd but you have to maintain pressure on the accelerator or you slow down on the downhill. I sure hope the F-150 without trailer can accomplish the same, because it's a beautiful thing to watch the range climb up when you know everyone else is turning motion to heat with their brakes (and/or burning fuel via engine braking).

I'm unsure whether another 5 tons in a trailer pushing the truck down a mountain will be able to manage full regen, though.

Another aspect in which I'm interested is the control aspect of downhill in very bad rain/snow. In Tesla cars, I've had to set my regen to "low" in some particularly bad slushy weather, as letting off the accelerator completely can result in regen locking the wheels up. The computers have gotten better at preventing this, but it's another reason regen gets limited in bad weather.

Tesla still limits regen to 75-80 kwh

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