Home back up - Emporia V2X Bi-Directional 48A charger + 11kW home power - thoughts ?

[metroshot]

Instead of forced to use SunRun & Ford's 80A FCPS EVSE, a company came out with an alternative bi-directional 48A L2 home charge & back up using the DC FC connector.

This option might be a hit for the SR battery Lightning owners...

https://www.emporiaenergy.com/how-the-emporia-v2x-charger-works

V2X Bi-Directional Charger Specs
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Type
V2X (V2H/V2G) Bi-Directional / Level 2 / 48A
Inverter
Integrated silicon-carbide-based AC/DC inverter designed by BREK Electronics
Charging
Power: 11.52kW
Input: 240V/48A AC
Output: 0-450V/40A DC
Peak Efficiency: >98%
Discharging
Power: 11.52kW
Input: 0-450V/40A DC
Output: 240V/48A AC
Peak Efficiency: >98%
Connector
25’ cable with CCS Type 1 connector
Interface
ISO 15118 V2G interface
Dimensions
Charging Station: 16" x 12" x 4" (406mm x 305mm x 102mm)
Charging Gun: 12" x 3" (305mm x 76mm)
Enclosure
IP66 waterproof indoor/outdoor
WiFi
2.4 GHz 802.11b/g/n
Temp Range
-40°F to 122°F (-40°C to +50°C)
Certifications
This product is in the design phase, with expected release in 2023. Like all Emporia products, the Emporia V2X Bi-Directional Charger is being designed with your safety in mind. It will be manufactured to meet the safety criteria defined by these international standards: UL1741SA (Inverter), UL 2231, UL 1998, UL 9741, UL 2202.

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[GoGoGadgetTruck]

hmm. it doesn't look physically large enough to do all of the bypass stuff etc. - am I crazy on that? I'd love a less expensive but still completely workable option and I'm willing to wait on it, but I want to make sure that it's a like for like capability-wise.

 

[Greased Lightning! ⚡️]

hmm. it doesn't look physically large enough to do all of the bypass stuff etc. - am I crazy on that? I'd love a less expensive but still completely workable option and I'm willing to wait on it, but I want to make sure that it's a like for like capability-wise.

I think the innovation is the integrated inverter? Whereas in the Sunrun system it is a separate box.

 

[metroshot]

I think the innovation is the integrated inverter? Whereas in the Sunrun system it is a separate box.

This unit is on my radar - I have messaged the company volunteering my Lightning to be a beta tester....

 

[tkittlitz]

It’s vaporware. Also good luck getting out of Ford if the truck supports ISO 15118 V2G interface.

To be fair - it was announced and has always stated delivery would be in 2023.

 

[adoublee]

Better yet would be getting the tested/listed Delta product Sunrun and Ford are slapping their name on.

 

[Amps]

good luck getting out of Ford if the truck supports ISO 15118 V2G interface.

Plug and play is part of ISO 15118, which Lightning will support. I wonder if it can be only partially implemented in a vehicle like Lightning that also features V2G?

 

[PV2EV]

Plug and play is part of ISO 15118, which Lightning will support. I wonder if it can be only partially implemented in a vehicle like Lightning that also features V2G?

Where have you seen this documented? I recall someone alluding to it, but no commitment.

 

[adoublee]

Where have you seen this documented? I recall someone alluding to it, but no commitment.

Tom Moloughney YT video with Ford charging guy. I think he was saying they were attempting to follow the standard but the version wasn't formally adopted yet so implementation could still fall outside of standard.

 

[Amps]

Where have you seen this documented? I recall someone alluding to it, but no commitment.

I checked Wikipedia after seeing Tom's video. The reference links seem credible. That's what makes me think it's an emerging standard for all communications that occur at vehicle charging ports for a number of tasks. Someone referencing Ford's V2G/H implementation mused on whether Ford being first big guy to the party would be incorporated into the final standard or whether it will become a proprietary Ford implementation outside of the final ISO 15118.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_15118

 

[astricklin]

The SR trucks also require a paid software unlock to enable the intelligent backup feature.

 

[PiMatrix]

Getting UL so avail 1q-2q23 if all qualifications pass.

 

[Maquis]

It’s interesting that they chose to utilize DC charging!

 

[Roy2001]

Will this work with Solar? I mean to let F150 charge from Solar only. Then let system use F150 first to certain SoC, then switch to grid. Not just use F150 as a backup power.

 

[PV2EV]

Will this work with Solar? I mean to let F150 charge from Solar only. Then let system use F150 first to certain SoC, then switch to grid. Not just use F150 as a backup power.

It appears too small to include a solar inverter. The Ford / SunRun HIS solution has a Microgrid, keeping your solar on when the grid is down, and has a 97% efficiency of PV to EV charging, which is why I wanted it.

Sadly it went from a 10kW PV solution, to 4kW which is too small to run your house and charge your truck during the day, then running the house off the truck at night.

This was the feature I wanted out of the truck, and now I will wait for gen2 V2H solutions that are proven with MY22 Lightnings. I may be waiting forever.

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