Please Help New Owner - Charging Questions

[cvalue13]

PlugShare shows a checkin from someone in a Tesla pulling 80A @ 222v, and another pulling 72A so I would use an 80A adapter if you plan to charge there.

https://www.plugshare.com/location/137070

thank you - btw, have you seen this yet?

 

[Firestop]

thank you - btw, have you seen this yet?

Bought one ~3 weeks ago when the company was giving forum members a discount….it’s in my Charging Kit…have yet to use it……

 

[cvalue13]

Bought one ~3 weeks ago when the company was giving forum members a discount….it’s in my Charging Kit…have yet to use it……

damn, here I am bringing up old stuff AND missing out on discounts

 

[FlasherZ]

I'll call out one experience from a Tesla HPWC. Generation 1 HPWC's (the ones that don't have the cord storage on the right side) have a flaw in their J1772 implementation that will confuse most newer vehicles when used with a Teslatap adapter.

Our Signature Model X required the 72A charger to be replaced within the past couple of years, and when Tesla replaced it, our gen 1 HPWC wouldn't charge the car anymore - gave a red charging ring.

After getting my Lightning, I used the TeslaTap adapter with that HPWC, and the truck didn't really like it. First, with the HPWC set at 80A, the truck refused to charge, giving a charge equipment error. When I lowered the HPWC to 72A charging current via its DIP switches, the Lightning would only charge at 24A, as measured by my OBD2 monitoring. Each lower-current setting reduced the current, and I didn't find a setting that worked over 24A. A friend's Rivian observed the same thing when using my TeslaTap. It's a known problem and in the 2018-2019 era, Tesla replaced a bunch of HPWC gen1's with gen2's when people complained.

So you may find some of these older Tesla destination chargers that may charge your truck VERY slowly if using the TeslaTap adapter, due to this incompatibilities. If the wall connector has the "pocket" in the right side for storing the Tesla connector (gen 2 or gen 3), then you'll be ok and will get the maximum for which the HPWC is configured.

 

[greenne]

So I can't answer question1.

No. 2: the truck with ER will come with the regular charger - which can plug into a NEMA 14-50 outlet. The CSP for mine came about 10 days after I got the truck.

No. 3: After a freaking chipmunk chewed through my damned charger cord less than 2 weeks after I got the truck (it still likes to visit the garage and stare at me just to piss me off more) I was forced to buy a new charger. I live in a cold climate (I see you're in WI) and I did some quick research due to time constraints of NEEDING one PDQ, and I went with the Grizzl-e Avalanche/Extreme charger. Supposed to be good for very cold weather (which I hear you just might have some of in WI) and the bonus is it is made in Canada. Bought it off of Amazon. Very impressive unit, all metal, industrial strength cables that are about 3 times thicker than the Ford cable, and has served me well in the past month. It's not really portable, but I saved the new Ford charger and keep it in the truck for travels and when I am at my girlfriend's.

Only drawback is that the extreme version only comes in a camouflage pattern, but it's in a garage so.....mine is tucked on an external wall and in a corner so........

FWIW,

Chargepoint is also *supposed* to be good in cold weather as well. The Chargepoint did well in Tom's torture test and the cable remained flexible even in extreme cold.

Cold weather durability is a concern for me as well in upstate NY...
(60) ChargePoint Home Flex EV Charger Complete Review - YouTube

 

[beatle]

I'll call out one experience from a Tesla HPWC. Generation 1 HPWC's (the ones that don't have the cord storage on the right side) have a flaw in their J1772 implementation that will confuse most newer vehicles when used with a Teslatap adapter.

That's good to know. Also of note for the OP, the HPWC on Cinnamon Shore is a gen2 as I see it has the connector storage on the right hand side.

 

[Firestop]

That's good to know. Also of note for the OP, the HPWC on Cinnamon Shore is a gen2 as I see it has the connector storage on the right hand side.

…and, this was bound to happen….. https://www.electrive.com/2022/08/04/tesla-opens-paid-charging-at-some-destination-chargers/

 

[FlasherZ]

…and, this was bound to happen….. https://www.electrive.com/2022/08/04/tesla-opens-paid-charging-at-some-destination-chargers/

It will be interesting to see which business models come out of this. If it goes back to the $1 per minute that we saw in the olden days, then no one will use them except in emergencies and everyone will just go to DCFC units.

I'd happily pay $10-20 per night at a hotel for a guaranteed charging slot when I get there and a full charge in the morning.

 

[beatle]

Wow, $1/minute? Are we still talking about charging cars? Actually $1/min is not too bad for DCFC if you can pull 150+ kw.

I have very rarely seen 6+ level 2 charging stations at one location which is what that article says the destination charger is for. Unless you're staying overnight, they're just not all that useful for full EVs since they typically only charge at 6kw or so.

I have also already gone out of my way and paid a bit extra for a hotel with a destination charger. If you're comparing to DCFC prices, that's worth an extra $40+ if you're putting 100kwh in your battery.

 

[FlasherZ]

Wow, $1/minute? Are we still talking about charging cars? Actually $1/min is not too bad for DCFC if you can pull 150+ kw.

Yeah, all sorts of crazy pricing, especially from those people who thought that they were offering an exclusive service that couldn't be gotten elsewhere (like campgrounds).

And as an even greater insult, many of these stations were only 208V/30A (6.2 kW) or 208V/16A (3.3 kW).

 

[jefro]

11Kw would require the 48A version. Not sure the 40A will do but maybe. I wouldn't chance it.

Worst part about going to the coast. Huge headwind and no amount of downhill helps.
Going back will be piece of cake.

"4hr family trip through a near absolute charging desert (Austin, TX, to Port Aransas), "

I take my EV Austin to Padre Island and back. You may need to be careful. I go down 181 I have to charge at Seguin. If they ever do install the VW EA stations you might be able to go down 183. If you try to go 90mph down I-37 you might not get there.
Ideally Tesla will open some magical CCS stations in that area. Until then you will be fine on any destination charger overnight. Might have to hit a CC DC station or try Victoria if is working yet. I prefer 183 but but just nothing yet.

The EA station in SA is pretty good so far. HD station nearby is reported to be good.

Your I-Pace evse will charge the F150 perfectly.

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