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I found this video interesting in light of the Tesla system becoming available to all. He explains how voltage and amperage works together to slow down charging cars with higher voltage batteries.

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OK, serious question here... Does Lucid offer that green color is that a wrap? 'Cuz I'm digging it.

Charging weirdness at the Tesla chargers that just opened a few days ago? Oh, no... I'm shocked. They'll get the kinks worked out. Not worried about it one bit. I'd bet real money that Tesla has all these issues sorted before EA figures out how to not keep throttling back their 350kW chargers when temps fall below 40 degrees F.
 

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Great video, and in 1 take....dude knows his stuff. Had to open it up on youtube to give him a like, that was well done. Sounds like the Lightning should have no problems reaching its peak.
 
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I found that the maximum voltage from the Tesla network existing chargers are really perfect for the Ford products, but not the higher voltage cars. Just the opposite that I previously thought. Those higher voltage cars are much better (twice as fast) to charge using EA and not Tesla.

They will only get about 50kw maximum using the existing Tesla chargers.
 

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Great video, and in 1 take....dude knows his stuff. Had to open it up on youtube to give him a like, that was well done. Sounds like the Lightning should have no problems reaching its peak.
Kyle is great, very EV focused, he has a few channels.
 

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It was a combination of Kyle and Tom that I realized Ford and Tesla may already be on the right track and high voltage may not be best. It is Watts we are after. When the Lucid could only receive 45 kw maximum was the key.

 

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I found that the maximum voltage from the Tesla network existing chargers are really perfect for the Ford products, but not the higher voltage cars. Just the opposite that I previously thought. Those higher voltage cars are much better (twice as fast) to charge using EA and not Tesla.

They will only get about 50kw maximum using the existing Tesla chargers.
It depends on the car. Taycan can charge at 150kW on a 400v charger (for example).

It does look like Lightning will be limited to 150kW because of the magic-dock max amperage. At a EA charger I've seen up to 180kW (short lived). It shouldn't make a big difference in overall charge time.
 

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They'll get the kinks worked out. Not worried about it one bit. I'd bet real money that Tesla has all these issues sorted before EA figures out how to not keep throttling back their 350kW chargers when temps fall below 40 degrees F.
This isnt a software kink--its a hardware issue that wont be easily fixable. The V3 superchargers will never be able to charge Lucid at more than 50 kW, or the Ioniq 5 at more than 100 kW because of they are voltage limited to ~500V by design. There's zero chance they're going to take the time to upgrade existing units to accommodate 800V vehicles. The V4 superchargers are *probably* going to be capable of 1000V which will allow them to charge at their peak speeds, but we're not going to see widespread deployment of those in the USA for a while.
 

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Not worried about it one bit. I'd bet real money that Tesla has all these issues sorted before EA figures out how to not keep throttling back their 350kW chargers when temps fall below 40 degrees F.

Not sure EA throttles their 350kW chargers at temps below 40 degrees F. I hit 265kW in my Taycan in 10 degrees F last month in Trinidad, CO.

Also, I hit well over 200kW at EA chargers in New Mexico - Wagon Wheel, Santa Fe, and Gallup. Plus hit these high speeds at the new charger in Show Low, AZ. All when temps were under 20 to 30 degrees F. Not sure where you are getting your data, but I am real world proof that a vehicle is getting full charging speeds at an Electrify Charger under 40 degrees F.

They may occasionally throttle speeds at 0 or 10 degrees or in extreme heat, but on my last two road trips I took - one in my Taycan and one in my Lightning - I got full charging speeds in very cold weather.

I don't really have a need for a Tesla supercharger unless I am desperate, or EA does not have a charger in the area - like between Albuquerque and Las Cruces. That being said, I will certainly grab lunch to watch the $hit show on a nice busy sunny day if a Tesla location is set up near me. I would love to see Tesla owners lose their shit when an Lightning or a Hummer takes up two parking slots!
 

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Not sure EA throttles their 350kW chargers at temps below 40 degrees F. I hit 265kW in my Taycan in 10 degrees F last month in Trinidad, CO.
I don't think they specifically throttle the chargers at lower temps... That's just their excuse when you call them for assistance with a charger that's acting up. At least that's been my experience so far. I've found some EA chargers that work as they should, even in sub-zero temperatures. But mostly I seem to have pretty rotten luck with EA. The EA units along I-70 seem good. Where I've encountered most of my issues has been along I-80, mostly in Nebraska. 45 degrees out, battery is warm, I'm at 29% SOC and I'll be lucky to pull more than 45kW from the 350kW charger units. Typically the 150kW work much better for me I've found. The last trip a couple weeks ago I noticed that many of the 350kW units now display a message on the screen saying that their charge rate is degraded, pending an update or service.

Also, I hit well over 200kW at EA chargers in New Mexico - Wagon Wheel, Santa Fe, and Gallup. Plus hit these high speeds at the new charger in Show Low, AZ. All when temps were under 20 to 30 degrees F. Not sure where you are getting your data, but I am real world proof that a vehicle is getting full charging speeds at an Electrify Charger under 40 degrees F.
I'll be taking the Lightning south in April. Going to Scottsdale to visit my parents... Glad to hear the chargers are doing well. I usually try to hit the 150kW chargers with the Lightning since its charge rate is limited. I've topped out at 167kW, so the 350kW units are somewhat of a waste. But some locations that's what they have or is available.

I don't really have a need for a Tesla supercharger unless I am desperate, or EA does not have a charger in the area - like between Albuquerque and Las Cruces. That being said, I will certainly grab lunch to watch the $hit show on a nice busy sunny day if a Tesla location is set up near me. I would love to see Tesla owners lose their shit when a Lightning or a Hummer takes up two parking slots!
I'm excited for the Tesla chargers because it means there are just more chargers and my Tesla supercharger experience over the past 7 years has been all around positive. I think some of the busy Tesla locations may show some frustration and animosity from Tesla owners. But I know Tesla is also trying to not just open up the super-busy locations without adding more chargers or new locations close by. It's an issue they have addressed more than once. Of course, I'm sure some Karen in her Tesla will try and tell non-Tesla people they can't charge there. But most of us Tesla owners, especially those who have been around for a long time, are excited for other EVs and welcome the opening of these chargers.
 

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I'll be taking the Lightning south in April. Going to Scottsdale to visit my parents... Glad to hear the chargers are doing well. I usually try to hit the 150kW chargers with the Lightning since its charge rate is limited. I've topped out at 167kW, so the 350kW units are somewhat of a waste. But some locations that's what they have or is available.
I have done this drive at least 6 times a year since 2019 in a CCS vehicle. The nice thing now is that there are new chargers in Show Low and Payson so you can take the shortcut from Holbrook south west to Scottsdale instead of going to Winslow before veering south.

I have never had any issues with the Electrify America chargers going south on I-25 or going west on I-40 from Albuquerque. Besides the charger in Salina, UT, I have had the best charging experiences at the Trinidad charger. It should be an easy trip.
 

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This isnt a software kink--its a hardware issue that wont be easily fixable.
According to information provided in the video, Tesla is limiting the current running through the CCS adaptor. That's a SW limitation. We don't know the reason why it is being limited, so calling it a "fix" may not be accurate. For instance, if they are doing it for legal reasons. So it's at least partly due to SW.
 

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According to information provided in the video, Tesla is limiting the current running through the CCS adaptor. That's a SW limitation. We don't know the reason why it is being limited, so calling it a "fix" may not be accurate. For instance, if they are doing it for legal reasons. So it's at least partly due to SW.
The amperage limit is a different issue. I was speaking to the voltage limitation that's causing problems with the Lucid/Taycan/E-GMP vehicles.
 

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The amperage limit is a different issue. I was speaking to the voltage limitation that's causing problems with the Lucid/Taycan/E-GMP vehicles.
I see, I interpreted your and Monkey's comments to be a blanket statement. As in, Rivian could see a boost from a SW change. Yeah, the 800v vehicles are in another ball park here. I had been considering the new Volvo 3 row EV but was hesitant not knowing what the state of DCFC was for 800v vehicles. We will likely stick with the Pilot for a little while longer and see how things evolve.
 

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Regarding throttling, I thought my truck was broken for the longest time. I didn’t even see the advertised maximum 150 kW until the 20th or so session, mostly around 130-140 kW peak. And now I finally got 170 kW (176 actually), on the brand new EA units. So I would consider the hardware, and maybe even the local electrical supply as additional limiting factors.
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