Ford’s F-150 Lightning is falling behind Tesla’s Cybertruck in deepening EV crisis

[Maineiac12]

I had a reservation for a Rivian in March of 2019. When I finally got to the top of the list, and they said come get your $90,000 truck, I balked.

There are too few people that will spend that much.

Exactly. The R1 is a great vehicle but without price cuts it’s out of reach for most people. I feel like the R2 and R3 will be huge if they can deliver as promised.

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[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Ill be decent and pull a page out of the Tesla Fanboy playbook.

This article is pure FUD due to the 4th QTR numbers where the 3 year old Lightning outsold the shiny new Cybertruck. Stalling CT sales even with deep discounts is slowing their production numbers. Now with Elon Musk hijacking the Govt everyone is trying to kiss his arse..... hence this article.....

Comparing Apples to Oranges, a SR to the one and only battery pack offered by Tesla is hilarious. When the RWD comes out then go ahead and compare them.

Never a missed opportunity to go political. Watch it now! The forum gods will come down and slap your hand.

 

[TaxmanHog]

It's sad to see a rational discussion devolve into personality driven bickering.

 

[owl123]

I think the ER battery pack is overrated as a solution for those with range insecurity:

I think larger battery packs are overrated. Charging speed is more important (and the Lightning isn’t great there). If you’re truly road tripping, a bigger battery pack only gets you further for the first leg of the trip. And if range is cut in half during the winter, then so is the range advantage of the larger battery pack.

Right now the Silverado outpaces the Lightning in both regards, but an ER or SR Lightning with Silverado charging speeds would be a bigger upgrade than a Silverado sized battery.

 

[StevenC56]

There's nothing that's perfect enough to totally satisfy everyone's needs at this time, and who knows if and when things will evolve to do so. You have to pick your poison. So do you want the Silverado's larger battery pack? You have to pay more than the Lightning to get that. But then you have a heavier truck that is noisier, doesn't handle or ride quite as well and doesn't have as nice of an interior. I have enough patience (and lack of bladder capacity) to deal with the Lightning's range and charge speed.

 

[Ventorum94]

I think larger battery packs are overrated. Charging speed is more important (and the Lightning isn’t great there). If you’re truly road tripping, a bigger battery pack only gets you further for the first leg of the trip. And if range is cut in half during the winter, then so is the range advantage of the larger battery pack.

Right now the Silverado outpaces the Lightning in both regards, but an ER or SR Lightning with Silverado charging speeds would be a bigger upgrade than a Silverado sized battery.

It would seem that every size battery pack could have significantly faster DCFC, if the pack could be divided into two equal (400v architecture) modules, coupled in parallel for driving, but in series for charging (higher voltage for charging, resulting in more kW for the same acceptable level of Amps). This switching from parallel coupling to series is the magic that Silverado uses, I believe, for fast charging of that humongous battery pack.

 

[F150ROD]

Never a missed opportunity to go political. Watch it now! The forum gods will come down and slap your hand.

I hope this isn't too political but it affects us EV owners and lines up with this owner and his 230 miles..... Its going to be Tesla Chargers or nothing..

https://electrek.co/2025/02/06/trump-just-canceled-the-federal-nevi-ev-charger-program/

 

[ryun]

Never a missed opportunity to go political. Watch it now! The forum gods will come down and slap your hand.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

 

[Oafy44]

On 25 degree days I feel a lot different than today when it was 75 in Georgia. 2.5 plus today with a level and 60 lbs tires on the corners seems just fine on my lariat ER

now in a few months when GM is offering $15k off then I might be wondering.

second /3rd year model of GM will be interesting. That will be the crossroads when GM can prove their set up is formidable and Ford will be hopefully not screwing up the rollout of next generation lightning.

 

[TaxmanHog]

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

It's sad to see a rational discussion devolve into personality driven bickering.

Not bickering, just making a joke. Can we joke?

 

[TaxmanHog]

Not bickering, just making a joke. Can we joke?

Add more emoticons, might help with perception!?!?

Using invectives on public figure names is insulting to either side of the isle your political perception might be, this is a respectable audience not ignorant college zombies following rituals of indoctrination, see ZERO humor in that.

BTW, all the team needs to see is ONE complaint from the membership for controversial threads to be removed.

 

[Effonefiddy Lightning]

Add more emoticons, might help with perception!?!?

Using invectives on public figure names is insulting to either side of the isle your political perception might be, this is a respectable audience not ignorant college zombies following rituals of indoctrination, see ZERO humor in that.

BTW, all the team needs to see is ONE complaint from the membership for controversial threads to be removed.

Wow you think my comment was violent? WTF?!

 

[StevenC56]

Add more emoticons, might help with perception!?!?

Using invectives on public figure names is insulting to either side of the isle your political perception might be, this is a respectable audience not ignorant college zombies following rituals of indoctrination, see ZERO humor in that.

BTW, all the team needs to see is ONE complaint from the membership for controversial threads to be removed.

I don't envy your job the next 4 years. I've seen a huge uptick in political conflict on all forums recently.

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