2023 Lightning ordering starts in August?

[VTbuckeye]

But in what order will the orders be built? We still have orders from January without a build week. Will an order from July get built in October or March? How does Ford decide who will be the lucky few with 2023 orders that get delivered in q4 2022?

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[sotek2345]

But in what order will the orders be built? We still have orders from January without a build week. Will an order from July get built in October or March? How does Ford decide who will be the lucky few with 2023 orders that get delivered in q4 2022?

All of the 2022's will be built before the first 2023 - there will be an official line change over date. Delivered is another story.....

It still remains to be seen if any of the 2022 orders will get pushed to 2023s. I still think that will happen, but really I am just guessing - if there is any Lightning scheduling today, that will be informative.

 

[williams]

Ford was never going to make 70-80k in 2022 and they never implied they would.
Regardless of all of that, at some point they need to convert some fraction (TBD) of the remaining reservations to orders for 2023. That is what they are opening the order banks to do. It is unknown at this time if they will allow new reservations or allow non-reservation holders to place orders, but they need some orders if they want to build any for 2023. As of today, they have no orders for 2023.

Do these banks opening mean you can put an order in now and get a 2023 truck - not likely.

Will opening the order banks allow some (most?) existing reservation holders to convert to orders - yes!

Jim Farley stated that the Rogue plant is capable of 80,000 trucks in May of 2021. Oh wait, we don't like quoted facts do we. Or Ford allocated recourses and chips to that factory to help demand, also easily found on google, or the fact I work and get all the new internally? Keep it up Keyboard warriors. Google is a scary place, except you can find literally every fact Ive stated.

 

[sotek2345]

Jim Farley stated that the Rogue plant is capable of 80,000 trucks in May of 2021. Oh wait, we don't like quoted facts do we. Or Ford allocated recourses and chips to that factory to help demand, also easily found on google, or the fact I work and get all the new internally? Keep it up Keyboard warriors. Google is a scary place, except you can find literally every fact Ive stated.

Yes he did, and the plan was to ramp to that 80k/yr. They have since doubled that via expansions to ~150k/yr. As of last report they are on track to get to that build rate sometime to 2023.

2022 was never going to have 80k trucks, even if they hit 100% build rate on day 1. It was a partial year and they only had about 6 months of production (so 80k goes to 40k). You also never start manufacturing at full rate, you ramp up to make sure everything is working. That is what Ford is doing and gives you somewhere between 10k and 20k trucks for 2022 - which is what we are seeing. This has been discussed in depth on other threads on this forum.

There was also a leak that ford was targeting 15k trucks for 2022 (in line with the breakdown above), however Darren Palmer said this was not true (but didn't give another number) on an insideEV podcast.

You are taking 1 data point, max designed production rate for the factory, and making the assumption that it matched planned 2022 production. That was never true.

 

[VTbuckeye]

Also, 80k build rate divided by 50 build weeks is 1600 per week. If they get to 1600 built in a week they gave achieved their 80k rate.

 

[greenne]

Jim Farley stated that the Rogue plant is capable of 80,000 trucks in May of 2021. Oh wait, we don't like quoted facts do we. Or Ford allocated recourses and chips to that factory to help demand, also easily found on google, or the fact I work and get all the new internally? Keep it up Keyboard warriors. Google is a scary place, except you can find literally every fact Ive stated.

Saying the Rouge plant is capable of 80k/yr is very different than saying they have the resources to produce 80k/yr at first get go. The plan always was to ramp up to 80k/yr and even *if* they were miraculously able to produce an 80k rate on Day 1 simple math tells you the shortened 2022 MY starting in April would NOT produce anywhere close to 80k for MY2022.

 

[Amps]

Evidently you don't understand how it works at all then. Its ok. Ive seen your type before, keyboard warriors always know more. Ive only worked for the company 15 years. Good luck on that order, im sure youll have a 2023 real soon! Remember Ford said they were going to make 70000-80000 originally for the first year, that was cut to 15000. Sp with 200,000 reservations still needing to be converted, how do you become more important?

No reason to be so angry. Most people appreciate being politely corrected after posting incorrect information on a public forum. It's only a truck. Don't let it affect your health.

You're correct about me not getting a 2023 truck. I just got updated tracker information showing my 2022 truck is built, with estimated delivery by the end of July. I converted the first minute 5/19/21 reservation to an order on 2/17/22.

 

[Commercial Sales Ford]

Hopefully this will help everyone out. The F-150 ICE order bank is set to open 7/18, however from what I can see the F-150 BEV is still TBD with 2023 Job 1 orders starting 10/10. So that means they're going to have about another 3 months of builds before they switch to 2023's for the lightings.

To answer your other question on how ford picks who is getting build when is complete lucky guess currently, I've seen customers wait 8 weeks from order to delivery and some wait 18 months. Now that has been on other vehicle lines not the lighting but I hope that helps.

 

[SteffanG]

Why would they open 2023 order banks when currently about half of the forum members here with orders for 2022 are sitting unscheduled still? If half of the forum in sitting unscheduled, it is probably likely over half of all the 2022 orders are still unscheduled.

 

[williams]

Why would they open 2023 order banks when currently about half of the forum members here with orders for 2022 are sitting unscheduled still? If half of the forum in sitting unscheduled, it is probably likely over half of all the 2022 orders are still unscheduled.

kind of my point but the keyboard warriors cant understand the math. As well your only looking at a tiny sample with the forum. To each their own, ignorance is bliss and it shows. Theres news networks that pander to people just like that daily.

 

[williams]

No reason to be so angry. Most people appreciate being politely corrected after posting incorrect information on a public forum. It's only a truck. Don't let it affect your health.

You're correct about me not getting a 2023 truck. I just got updated tracker information showing my 2022 truck is built, with estimated delivery by the end of July. I converted the first minute 5/19/21 reservation to an order on 2/17/22.

So you got an early order good for you, have your wife try to order one when they "reopen" see if that ever schedules. As for my health, couldn't be better. thank you for your concern, but based on your input above that advice i wouldn't take either

 

[greenne]

kind of my point but the keyboard warriors cant understand the math. As well your only looking at a tiny sample with the forum. To each their own, ignorance is bliss and it shows. Theres news networks that pander to people just like that daily.

I laugh with every mention of keyboard warriors. You seem angry-- aren't there any kids or clouds outside to yell at?

FWIW if you are saying you work for Ford and somehow informed of the process...remind me never to buy from your dealer. (Hint: there are other Ford Reps on this board perhaps less vocal, but way more informed)

 

[Commercial Sales Ford]

Let me back the bus up so I can put it in terms everyone can understand and not just Ford lingo..

The order Bank opens and closes every year for every model regardless if all orders have been built that we're placed or not. So in this example take a 2022 lighting that has been placed and ordered but not yet scheduled, as of August when the 23 order bank opens. All that means is we can now order 2023 MY (model Year) trucks and the 2022 still has a chance to be scheduled up until 10/3. Since they are doing direct to customer orders on the lighting Ford has stopped accepting 2022 orders so they can attempt to fulfill all the remaining orders they have already accepted. But they have to open the 2023 order bank to start preparing for the next model year, but the orders placed in August will not even be considered for Scheduling until the end of September and will not have a build week any earlier then 10/10.

As far as say an order of a 2022 that doesn't get build as a 2022, I would imagine Ford will automatically roll it over as a 2023 but I can't say that for certain.

 

[TaxmanHog]

The question is why? If the order banks are about 3 years behind, why even open them?

Don't confuse RESERVATION with ORDER , these are two different processes.

Yes, we have ~185,000 Reservationists anxiously waiting to place a production order.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Thank you @Commercial Sales Ford for the succinct explanation.

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