300/320 miles of range vs 450+

[RainorshinePNW]

Has anyone seen any reviews addressing the reports from last year that the range with an empty bed would be closer to 450? I recall 2 early previews that suggested 100% range would be over 400- the one from Marques Brownlee and one from InsideEVs. I believe both indicated the ~300 mile range was based on a 1000 lb payload. I've watched lots of reviews at this point and haven't heard/seen anyone address this.

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[Vorador]

It was just wild speculation for clicks. It was an early preproduction truck with very few miles on it.

 

[RainorshinePNW]

I thought the 1000 lb payload part had been confirmed by Ford. So maybe they were shooting for 300 with 1000 lbs, but ultimately couldn't get there?

 

[RainorshinePNW]

Obviously I would expect this to be answered more thoroughly once we all have our trucks and can do some real world tests, but if the "calculator" is to be relied on, and a lot of the reviewers had nearly full charge trucks, still haven't seen any showing more than 300

 

[Mr. Flibble]

Has anyone seen any reviews addressing the reports from last year that the range with an empty bed would be closer to 450? I recall 2 early previews that suggested 100% range would be over 400- the one from Marques Brownlee and one from InsideEVs. I believe both indicated the ~300 mile range was based on a 1000 lb payload. I've watched lots of reviews at this point and haven't heard/seen anyone address this.

This was all around Marques speculation based on the guess-o-meter on the vehicle they had. If you drive an EV really slowly, like under 40 MPH for a long distance, the guess-o-meter will start tracking upwards. My Kia Soul EV would show about 120-130 miles of range when it only has an EPA rated 90 miles of range when I used to do very short commutes with a max speed of 45 MPH. The moment I started taking it out on the highway, and going over 60 MPH, the guess-o-meter dropped off a cliff.

Marques speculated based on the guess-o-meter and the battery percentage, and it was probably accurate.... for a demo truck that only drove around in parking lots most of the time.

If you drive it well under 45 MPH I am sure you can get 450+ miles of range out of it.

 

[RainorshinePNW]

There was a second, independent verification of a 400+ mile estimate, but here at least they clarify that Ford had not actually confirmed the 1000 lb payload claim, so maybe I'm misremembering that.

https://insideevs.com/news/522603/f150-lightning-display-incredible-range/

 

[Mr. Flibble]

There was a second, independent verification of a 400+ mile estimate, but here at least they clarify that Ford had not actually confirmed the 1000 lb payload claim, so maybe I'm misremembering that.

https://insideevs.com/news/522603/f150-lightning-display-incredible-range/

It looks like it is exactly the same truck that Marques reviewed - same colour, same trim level. If this truck was used mostly in showrooms and parking lots, the guess-o-meter would read just like this.

I am sure someone somewhere will eventually hypermile the Lightning, and probably get 500+ miles out of it. Though, driving around a track at about 5 MPH for 100 hours won't be terribly exciting.

 

[Easycamper]

What Ford has confirmed to a reviewer is that 1000 pounds of cargo and passengers won’t significantly affect range one way or another. That’s all.

The rest was speculation.

 

[Roy2001]

Battery size is just 131 kWh, so don’t expect magic.

 

[sotek2345]

As everyone else said, the 400+ mile thing was never real, just clickbait speculation as many were saying at the time. The 1000lbs thing was never a major factor either.

Ford did exceed their targets, getting to 320 miles on the ER battery instead of 300.

 

[gorwell]

this still around...

Reviewers made way too much of the range calc, and Ford just sat back enjoying the free press of 400+ miles.

Early pre-production trucks likely had some Mach-e calculations for range, with a much bigger battery that produced big range numbers. That's the only thing that really explains why range was so high in those early press trucks.

1000 pounds of payload doesn't really matter much for a truck as well. That's almost a family of 4 on a road trip. Ford would have really messed up if that weight had a notable impact on range.

The only scenario 450+ miles o range is the truck going downhill.

For rough range expectations, per EPA

Highway:

CIty:

Some will get a little better, some will get a little (or a lot) less -- too many factors will cause ranges to vary from person to person.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

this still around...

Reviewers made way too much of the range calc, and Ford just sat back enjoying the free press of 400+ miles.

Early pre-production trucks likely had some Mach-e calculations for range, with a much bigger battery that produced big range numbers. That's the only thing that really explains why range was so high in those early press trucks.

1000 pounds of payload doesn't really matter much for a truck as well. That's almost a family of 4 on a road trip. Ford would have really messed up if that weight had a notable impact on range.

The only scenario 450+ miles o range is the truck going downhill.

For rough range expectations, per EPA

People put too much stock on the displayed range. For anyone with a Tesla, you can flip between the "Rated" and "Ideal" range. Just because it puts it on the screen, doesn't mean you can get it. In that case, it's quite laughable since getting the rated is difficult enough but yet the ideal setting shows 15% more.

 

[metroshot]

this still around...

Reviewers made way too much of the range calc, and Ford just sat back enjoying the free press of 400+ miles.

Early pre-production trucks likely had some Mach-e calculations for range, with a much bigger battery that produced big range numbers. That's the only thing that really explains why range was so high in those early press trucks.

1000 pounds of payload doesn't really matter much for a truck as well. That's almost a family of 4 on a road trip. Ford would have really messed up if that weight had a notable impact on range.

The only scenario 450+ miles o range is the truck going downhill.

For rough range expectations, per EPA

Highway:

CIty:

Some will get a little better, some will get a little (or a lot) less -- too many factors will cause ranges to vary from person to person.

Love the city numbers, as that's my primary daily drive but I know those numbers go out the window when you really drive it in real life - some may get 125% or more range while others get 50% range.

As for numbers, range, etc - it boils down to many variables: how you drive (old man vs spirited), weather (cold vs temperate), climate controls (more=less range), terrain (hills vs flat), speed (more=less range), regen (1 pedal vs none), towing, hauling, etc....

 

[sotek2345]

Love the city numbers, as that's my primary daily drive but I know those numbers go out the window when you really drive it in real life - some may get 125% or more range while others get 50% range.

As for numbers, range, etc - it boils down to many variables: how you drive (old man vs spirited), weather (cold vs temperate), climate controls (more=less range), terrain (hills vs flat), speed (more=less range), regen (1 pedal vs none), towing, hauling, etc....

Sentiment is correct, but a few clarifications

Speed and External Temperature will, by far, have the biggest impact on range.

Using the heater will also reduce range, but that is really a matter of external temp. A/C has a much smaller impact.

Hills will reduce range vs. flat ground

How hard you accelerate actually has a very very small impact on range. This is where EVs and ICE vehicles differ. You don't have to use extra fuel to keep things cool like in an ICE and electric motors have roughly the same efficiency across the load band (actually a little better at higher load). So feel free to accelerate hard! (just don't get to too high a speed).

One pedal driving on vs. off will have no impact. Ford uses a blended braking approach where regen is used whenever possible, not just in 1 pedal mode, but also when you use the brake pedal. Off road mode is the only thing I have seen that reduces this.

 

[metroshot]

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How hard you accelerate actually has a very very small impact on range. This is where EVs and ICE vehicles differ. You don't have to use extra fuel to keep things cool like in an ICE and electric motors have roughly the same efficiency across the load band (actually a little better at higher load). So feel free to accelerate hard! (just don't get to too high a speed).

One pedal driving on vs. off will have no impact. Ford uses a blended braking approach where regen is used whenever possible, not just in 1 pedal mode, but also when you use the brake pedal. Off road mode is the only thing I have seen that reduces this.

I beg to differ on acceleration.
Jack rabbit starts, hard acceleration and high speeds all degrade range.
In my PHEV driving pure EV mode, my range seriously degrades driving like I do in my BMW.

However driving slowly off the line, gradual speed increases and generally like an "old man" retains a lot more charge in my PHEV.

After 4 years driving mostly in EV mode, I have learned quite a lot about changing my driving style in order to gain as much range as possible.

Probably why I don't have range anxiety like a lot of first timers and chose a standard range battery for my LIghtning.

Can't wait to try hypermiling the Lightning.

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