F150 Lightning Towing Test vs GMC Denali (not Ike Gauntlet) by TFL

[Bannerman]

I don't think anyone is missing anything. You can haul a lot of things without a trailer. I don't anticipate having a problem with range when I haul my motorcycle or anything else in the bed, even if my destination is hundreds of miles away.

Your heavy-handed conclusion that "a Electric Truck is a poor choice for anything beyond around town" is just factually wrong.

Think of me when you're sitting in the Walmart parking lot charging for an hour every couple hundred miles on your next road trip.

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[beatle]

Think of me when you're sitting in the Walmart parking lot charging for an hour every couple hundred miles on your next road trip.

You seem lost. Do you need help finding your way back to your ICE echo chamber?

 

[Tony Burgh]

First off, this truck is version 1.0, equivalent to the Model T that the farmers yelled “Get a Horse” at.
Second, why are all the truck manufacturers delving into EV’s?
Last (for now), is all the research into semis ( ya know, those big haully things) beng done by stupid corporations?
Also, keep smiling. It’s just a truck, not your kid. You can always get the next one, maybe. Most folks cannot even get this one.

 

[Tony Burgh]

I’m too longwinded to quit so soon.
This morning I had one electrician and one HVAC ontractor take up two hours of my time asking about the truck and is there a 3/4 ton van in the works.

 

[vandy1981]

As much as I am for electric vehicles, we are just not ready for electric trucks for anything outside of "around town" real world usage. But I think we all knew that already.

Current electric trucks aren't good for long-haul towing. I think we'll have workable solutions within the next 5-6 years, so you'll have half a decade to think of another reason to throw shade at electric trucks!

In the meantime there are more than enough people who want an electric commuter truck with occasional towing needs to exhaust supply.

 

[astricklin]

What I was looking to get out of this video was the m/kWh rating with a standard profile camper (not a small teardrop or a fancy airstream). They got .7 and if I plug that number into ABRP on the SR model, I can still make it to many many areas of the USA from Dallas (theoretically). However, you have almost equal driving vs charging time so it is going to be a long trip.
I would love to see someone with a pro trim and a similar camper. Theoretically it should be more efficient than the lariat ER as it weighs less overall and it also has different wheel/tire combo.

 

[beatle]

I would love to see someone with a pro trim and a similar camper. Theoretically it should be more efficient than the lariat ER as it weighs less overall and it also has different wheel/tire combo.

Your reasoning makes sense, and I would have drawn the same conclusion, but the EPA ratings for the Pro SR and ER have the numbers flipped in favor of the ER truck:

Pro SR:

• 68 MPGe combined
• 76 MPGe city
• 61 MPGe highway
• 49 kW-hrs per 100 miles

Pro ER / Lariat ER:

• 70 MPGe combined
• 78 MPGe city
• 63 MPGe highway
• 48 kW-hrs per 100 miles

I can see the weight being somewhat of a throwaway comparison between Pro and Lariat, but clearly there is a penalty for larger wheels as seen on the Platinum. This plays out on pretty much every EV. Maybe the aero of the Lariat's wheels make up for the diameter penalty? Or the higher capacity battery has less energy lost to heat when powering the truck?

 

[astricklin]

Your reasoning makes sense, and I would have drawn the same conclusion, but the EPA ratings for the Pro SR and ER have the numbers flipped in favor of the ER truck:

Pro SR:

• 68 MPGe combined
• 76 MPGe city
• 61 MPGe highway
• 49 kW-hrs per 100 miles

Pro ER / Lariat ER:

• 70 MPGe combined
• 78 MPGe city
• 63 MPGe highway
• 48 kW-hrs per 100 miles

I can see the weight being somewhat of a throwaway comparison between Pro and Lariat, but clearly there is a penalty for larger wheels as seen on the Platinum. This plays out on pretty much every EV. Maybe the aero of the Lariat's wheels make up for the diameter penalty? Or the higher capacity battery has less energy lost to heat when powering the truck?

I should have gone and taken a look further at the EPA numbers. I wonder if this different then is because the pro comes standard with all terrain tires when the lariat comes with an all season (not sure what the fleet only ER pro gets but it's probably all season highway tire as well).

I would also have to look because if the EPA numbers include charging losses than this could factory in as well.

 

[beatle]

EPA numbers do include charging losses, and I think the Pro ER and Lariat ER may have different chargers. I never really bothered looking at the Pro ER specs though since "nobody" can buy them.

 

[Bannerman]

Current electric trucks aren't good for long-haul towing. I think we'll have workable solutions within the next 5-6 years, so you'll have half a decade to think of another reason to throw shade at electric trucks!

In the meantime there are more than enough people who want an electric commuter truck with occasional towing needs to exhaust supply.

I won't throw shade once battery tech is better and charging network is improved. I'll buy one then. You think I want to be filling up a 36 gallon tank?

 

[vandy1981]

I won't throw shade once battery tech is better and charging network is improved. I'll buy one then. You think I want to be filling up a 36 gallon tank?

You should have stuck with the standard 30 gallon tank. It would have been a cheaper fill up.

 

[Zzw30spyder]

Current electric trucks aren't good for long-haul towing. I think we'll have workable solutions within the next 5-6 years, so you'll have half a decade to think of another reason to throw shade at electric trucks!

In the meantime there are more than enough people who want an electric commuter truck with occasional towing needs to exhaust supply.

Like many others have said, you need to be realistic in what your needs are at this time and how they might change for the near future. If you're commuting most the time and have the occasional trip a couple hundred miles away towing(what your towing is important as well) and are OK with a extra stop or 2 in exchange for the the benefits the other 95% of the time your driving empty than your fine. When charging infrastructure improves as well and we get more stations along routes as common place it will be less inconvenient as well, there wasn't a gas station on every other corner initially as well.

I do think we need to take a look at trailer aero a bit as well going into the future as well. The tow vehicles may be optimized but we end up towing square boxes down the road as giant air dams. This effects ICE vehicles as well but would have the most short term benefits for EV to get the most out of each charge.

At the end of the day we are all early adopters to EV trucks and towing and will have to deal with the odd and ends that entails till it's more mainstream.

 

[MostlySafeBear]

TFL did a video to see how far that a Lightning with an extended range (320 mile) battery could tow a 6,000 pound trailer, which is not an unreasonable use of a half-ton pickup truck.

Sadly, they only made it a whopping 85.9 miles.

Until battery technology greatly improves, I will have to skip this generation of Lightning and be content with a Powerboost hybrid F-150, since I want to tow an RV and camp in remote areas.

 

[F150ROD]

TFL did a video to see how far that a Lightning with an extended range (320 mile) battery could tow a 6,000 pound trailer, which is not an unreasonable use of a half-ton pickup truck.

Sadly, they only made it a whopping 85.9 miles.

Until battery technology greatly improves, I will have to skip this generation of Lightning and be content with a Powerboost hybrid F-150, since I want to tow an RV and camp in remote areas.

Enjoy the PB, it’s a great truck.

 

[sotek2345]

TFL did a video to see how far that a Lightning with an extended range (320 mile) battery could tow a 6,000 pound trailer, which is not an unreasonable use of a half-ton pickup truck.

Sadly, they only made it a whopping 85.9 miles.

Until battery technology greatly improves, I will have to skip this generation of Lightning and be content with a Powerboost hybrid F-150, since I want to tow an RV and camp in remote areas.

Yeah, longer range towing is the Achilles heel. I don't tow (just haul) so the Lightning is perfect for me.

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