Why ND is great place to own EV

[TMND]

I know I myself have had some cold weather range complaints that I’ve since come to terms with mainly by charging to 100% more often.

Just recently hit the 2000 kWh mark on my level two charger. And although it’s at work so I’m not paying for it, out of curiosity I grabbed the electric bill and saw how much they were paying for me to charge for free for the last six months.

$0.12 avg kWh cost = $240 !!! I don’t have the patience to crunch the numbers further, but I’m pretty sure that would’ve been thousands of dollars in gasoline in my old truck. Pretty hard not to love that.

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[Zaptor]

lol, yep. I have solar at home, so hard to really calculate the true cost/kW given the 'sunk cost' of the array but I have no power bill *and* no fuel bill for the foreseeable future, each of which used to be a $500+ monthly cost... (we are on a well with a lot of irrigation which accounts for some of that electric bill)
Shame people don't realize how great these trucks are, and that in many cases, the fuel bill for an ICE truck would cover the monthly payment in full on one of these... free at work is f'n awesome, though! Nice perk.
Cheers,
Zap

 

[potato]

Yep if you have cheap electricity rates it's amazing how little it costs. Here in BC it's roughly 10c/kWh (guess that would be 7c USD) with a time of use plan so it costs me under 3c/km to drive. Closer to 4 in the winter. Just to put that in perspective, tires will be about 1.5-2c/km. The energy cost is basically negligible when charging at home. 30 or 40 60 or 70 dollars a month. (Edit: bad math)

 

[SpaceEVDriver]

We have winter time super-off-peak rates from 10:00-15:00. $0.034/kWh.

It costs me $4.45 to charge from 0% to 100% for about 350-400 miles around town.

In summer it's closer to $0.11-$0.14/kWh, which is about $14-$18 full charge and more miles.

 

[TaxmanHog]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

 

[broncoaz]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

My grid rate is about $0.39 per kWh. Fortunately I spent $34K on solar so I can drive my cars for free . In reality my ROI is about 5.2 years, so well worth the investment. I expect the Lightning will push me back to buying some grid power, but I had 5.5 MWh of surplus power in the first 11 months and a credit of about $1500 banked. I leased for 12K miles per year, so if I average 1.8 miles per kWh I could expect 6667 kWh into the truck if I run the full mileage. There will be more kWh for preheating and such if I use it. We got the Tesla end of March, so far it has 7600 miles averaging 4 miles per kWh according to the trip computer, I haven’t calculated charging losses.

December production was poor, so I’ll see my first bill where they are using some of the net metering credits.

 

[TMND]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

This and dcfc costing even more is what’s gonna hurt adoption by the masses more than anything.

 

[Scorpio3d]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

What is the DCFC (rough avg)cost up there?

 

[Maxx]

A few things to consider when you do the math:

• Are you counting electricity delivery and fees? Mine says 13c/Kwh but when it is all said and done it cost me $18c Kwh
• Are you counting the juice that is sent to the truck or what the truck receives? There is some loss there.
• Winter driving efficiency is lower (less usable juice in battery and the heat is not included like it is in your ICE)
• EV penalty when it comes to registration. $600 this year was the highest I have ever paid (for two years).
• Are there any battery preconditioning losses in winter?
• Depending on how much public charging you do, that could completely reverse the cost advantage.

All that said, not many employers have gas stations at the office with free gas for employees.

 

[potato]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

Yep, all it will take is one shock to fuel prices, and people will be back on the EV bandwagon en masse. All the "EVs are doomed" sentiment basically boils down to the fact that the US has unusually cheap gas.

 

[broncoaz]

A few things to consider when you do the math:

• Are you counting electricity delivery and fees? Mine says 13c/Kwh but when it is all said and done it cost me $18c Kwh
• Are you counting the juice that is sent to the truck or what the truck receives? There is some loss there.
• Winter driving efficiency is lower (less usable juice in battery and the heat is not included like it is in your ICE)
• EV penalty when it comes to registration. $600 this year was the highest I have ever paid (for two years).
• Are there any battery preconditioning losses in winter?
• Depending on how much public charging you do, that could completely reverse the cost advantage.

All that said, not many employers have gas stations at the office with free gas for employees.

I calculated a 10% loss from plug to truck, so I’m estimating 2.0 miles per kWh minus 0.2 kWh charging loss. Maybe the 2.0 m/kWh is optimistic, but we are doing better than the rated efficiency on the Model Y so I’m hoping the Lightning is in the 2.0 range. My 2022 Pro got 2.0 m/kWh on the highway at 70 mph and 2.3 m/kwh in mixed driving.

I’m not sure about preconditioning losses, not sure how often I’ll do that as my garage stays reasonably not freezing in the winter.

Fortunately I don’t anticipate much public charging except for a couple trips to VT each year.

 

[broncoaz]

Yep, all it will take is one shock to fuel prices, and people will be back on the EV bandwagon en masse. All the "EVs are doomed" sentiment basically boils down to the fact that the US has unusually cheap gas.

Some people are anticipating an oversupply of oil in the coming year, I read somewhere that we are already in an oversupply situation now. I would expect prices to drop in the spring when US producers are encouraged to expand production. We do need to refill the strategic petroleum reserve (down to almost 50%), so I welcome cheaper oil while we get that done.

 

[TaxmanHog]

What is the DCFC (rough avg)cost up there?

I haven't done it recently, but last August I bought into the EA discount for a month, the discounted energy was 42 cents a kWh. Before that I had charged in Connecticut at non-plan price of 64 cent.

Currently the nearest stations:
EA in Providence RI is 64 cents and Wrentham Mass is 56 cents.
Tesla in Seekonk Mass variable 51 cents peak 8am to 9:59 pm, 32 c 10pm to 3:39 am & 30 c 4am to 7:59

 

[thunderbayterry]

I know I myself have had some cold weather range complaints that I’ve since come to terms with mainly by charging to 100% more often.

Just recently hit the 2000 kWh mark on my level two charger. And although it’s at work so I’m not paying for it, out of curiosity I grabbed the electric bill and saw how much they were paying for me to charge for free for the last six months.

$0.12 avg kWh cost = $240 !!! I don’t have the patience to crunch the numbers further, but I’m pretty sure that would’ve been thousands of dollars in gasoline in my old truck. Pretty hard not to love that.

Here in Ontario, Canada I pay 2.8cents a KWH!! Between 11pm and 7am! Do the math on how much THAT costs to drive 10,000 kms!!! LOL!

 

[tearitupsports]

Lucky ducks..................... it's costing me $0.3533 kWh in Mass, at annual average of 1.47 MPK it's costing me ~ 24 cents a mile for drive energy, my old powerstroke cost 22 cents a mile at today's fuel rates 3.339 / gallon, when I made the decision to buy the Lightning diesel was approaching $6 gallon

What a difference to TX which is for me 11.7 cents / kWh and I am averaging 2.3 miles / kWh. I don't know how you average 1.47 though. Even on a road trip from TX to Maine I saw my worst leg at 1.7-1.8 and that was driving most all of it above 70 mph with 4 people and the bed full of luggage (and HIS system for most of it).
The truck seems to add about 6000 kWh / year to my bill. I am considering switching to the free nights plan, instead of my solar buyback net metering.

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