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The IRS Is Making It Way Too Confusing To Buy An EV With Tax Credits

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The IRS Is Making It Way Too Confusing To Buy An EV With Tax Credits - The Autopian


If you’re an electric car or plug-in hybrid buyer, you’ve probably had a hard 2022. EV buyers have had to contend with seemingly volatile pricing changes, long waits from manufacturers, and now, a reconfiguration of the EV incentive tax code that many have warned would leave buyers of good EVs high and dry. It’s 2023 and the Inflation Reduction Act is supposed to make buying an EV easier, but after talking to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration and the Internal Revenue Service it seems like the new law is poised to make the adoption of PHEVs and EVs more of a mess than it was, especially in the short term.

Basically, the Inflation Reduction Act, or at least, the EV, PHEV, and alternative fuel (largely hydrogen) portion of the bill, was meant to combat inflation, in part, by stimulating green energy initiatives. It wasn’t an easy bill to get through; the plug-in tax credit portion went through several revisions, with one of the architects of the bill, Senator Joe Manchin, deriding the concept of an EV tax credit entirely, citing high demand for plug-in vehicles. “When we can’t produce enough product for the people that want it and we’re still going to pay them to take it – it’s absolutely ludicrous in my mind,” said Senator Manchin, at a Senate hearing in April 2022.

On its face, it may have been a little silly to give tax breaks to hyper-expensive cars. Under the old scheme, cars like the $199,999 Lucid Air Grand Touring Performance qualified for a tax credit, but the sensibly priced $27,000 Chevy Bolt EV no longer did. If the goal is to get more people into EVs, that’s not helpful. So, after a lot of political deliberation, and multiple revisions (including a reduction of the initially proposed $12,500 credit for plug-in vehicles), we got the bill we did. President Biden has been open about his goal to get 50% of all new vehicles sold in the United States to be plug-in vehicles by 2030. To reach that goal, the administration wants to invest in EV infrastructure, but also most pertinently, sweeten the pot on the consumer side, to get butts in seats.

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I cant imagine Government doing something completely non-sensical and then executing it even more incompetently then the brain child itself. Shock of shocks.

The dumbest thing about the new bill is the price thresholds. No intellectually honest person can say the taxpayer should be subsidizing the push EV's because they are supposedly "going to save the planet" however a $54,999 saves the planet more than a $55,001 vehicle or a $79,999 saves the planet more than a $80,001 vehicle?
 

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TurboTax is not quite ready to file returns for tax year 2022 involving the 8936, hopefully it will be ready early February.....

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It’s pretty simple to understand. I don’t necessarily agree with the way they are doing it.
 

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TurboTax is not quite ready to file returns for tax year 2022 involving the 8936, hopefully it will be ready early February.....

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It worked on mine. Fill out the worksheet and it populates the IRS form. Mine showed the whole $7500 rebate. I can‘t (edit correction) file until a couple more 1099 come in but preliminarily it looks to work.
 
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It worked on mine. Fill out the worksheet and it populates the IRS form. Mine showed the whole $7500 rebate. I can‘t (edit correction) file until a couple more 1099 come in but preliminarily it looks to work.

The forms populate and the computations are correct ...... BUT I can not send it to the EFILE phase yet, that's the problem, I'm ready file now
 

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The forms populate and the computations are correct ...... BUT I can not send it to the EFILE phase yet, that's the problem
I read your post wrong. Sorry.
Didn’t the IRS just start accepting returns this week? Or maybe next week.
 

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The forms populate and the computations are correct ...... BUT I can not send it to the EFILE phase yet, that's the problem
Hopefully soon, waiting on some investment forms to be available and I am ready to file, first time in 20 years I will see a refund. But, is this a TurboTax delay or an IRS delay?
 
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Hopefully soon, waiting on some investment forms to be available and I am ready to file, first time in 20 years I will see a return. But, is this a TurboTax delay or an IRS delay?
It is a TurboTax delay, the final cut on the 8936 was published this week by Treasury/IRS, now the return preparers need to integrate the form revision in to their systems, the changes are minor affecting the 2 wheel vehicle credit phase out and language on line 18 and the page 1 header.

BTW, add to my list of pet peeves,

Our F150 Lightning is a TRUCK and the tax RETURN you file for this credit generates a REFUND of over payments.
 

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It is a TurboTax delay, the final cut on the 8936 was published this week by Treasury/IRS, now the return preparers need to integrate the form revision in to their systems, the changes are minor affecting the 2 wheel vehicle credit phase out and language on line 18 and the page 1 header.

BTW, add to my list of pet peeves,

Our F150 Lightning is a TRUCK and the tax RETURN you file for this credit generates a REFUND of over payments.
I did mean to say “Refund”, not sure why I said return previously, completely a mistype.
 
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TurboTax is not quite ready to file returns for tax year 2022 involving the 8936, hopefully it will be ready early February.....

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(checks calendar)

you've got about 6 weeks before TurboTax stops sucking for this tax year.

;)
 

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I don't know. Seems like the IRS is doing a great job of keeping this from being confusing.

It is not like they took the best selling EV SUV in the USA and said it was not an SUV unless it was a 7 seater or something.

I would agree though if they had, lets say, take a 20 mpg plug in jeep and said it qualified but their not that silly.
 

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(checks calendar)

you've got about 6 weeks before TurboTax stops sucking for this tax year.

;)
6 weeks???????

February 9th is next Thursday, I'm missing the humor.
 

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6 weeks???????

February 9th is next Thursday, I'm missing the humor.
I think he is math challenged and meant 10 weeks, i.e. end of tax season.
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