Installing a heat pump

[Electric_hillbilly]

Anyone knows if ford will be able to retrofit 2022 and 2023 models with heat pump to gain some extra range ?

My 2023 ER Lariat gives me about 240 miles and in these hills with weather I can only expect it to get worse. I love the truck but range is a bit of an issue

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[VTHokies]

I would give it a 99.99999% of nope!

 

[RickLightning]

Very unlikely. And I don't think that the heat pump is going to gain any notable range.

 

[luebri]

Very unlikely. And I don't think that the heat pump is going to gain any notable range.

What is the benefit that Ford is hoping to achieve by adding the heat pump to the 2024’s if it’s not notable range improvement?

 

[Monkey]

We have no way of knowing how well the heat pump will be implemented or how well it will perform. The original heat pump introduced on the Tesla Model Y actually becomes counterproductive -- turning into an active cooler -- at sub-zero temperatures. Tesla updated the design and added another resistive heater to the system. I can tell you, owning an early-VIN Model Y with the original heat pump design and a few of the other things that were quickly updated after launch, it is a 120 mile car in -7°F temperatures if I don't have it plugged in and battery fully conditioned before driving in those temps.

What is the benefit that Ford is hoping to achieve by adding the heat pump to the 2024’s if it’s not notable range improvement?

I wouldn't say it's to improve range, but rather to mitigate range loss due to cold ambient temperatures.

 

[luebri]

I wouldn't say it's to improve range, but rather to mitigate range loss due to cold ambient temperatures.

I will categorize that as a distinction without a difference

 

[Jseis]

Anyone knows if ford will be able to retrofit 2022 and 2023 models with heat pump to gain some extra range ?

A puffer jacket is dirt cheap. That and seat heat....

 

[RickLightning]

We can only guess, but I don't expect a notable increase. Will it help on a short trip vs the current heater? Sure. Or help a truck that sits at a cold jobsite everyday? Maybe. But significant range increase? No.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

I would give it a 99.99999% of nope!

You would be off by 0.00001%.

 

[Randall Stephens]

What is the benefit that Ford is hoping to achieve by adding the heat pump to the 2024’s if it’s not notable range improvement?

Should improve efficiency during moderate temperatures, so should give most folks on the coasts and the south some better numbers. Won’t help for the northern plains though, that’s tough country for EVs.

the best thing ford could do is add a battery Warming capability to the app or the truck

 

[luebri]

Should improve efficiency during moderate temperatures, so should give most folks on the coasts and the south some better numbers. Won’t help for the northern plains though, that’s tough country for EVs.

I have to laugh... we dont go straight from summer (AC season) to Arctic Temps up here in the Upper Midwest! In order to get to the very Frigid months (January, February) you have to go thru some milder cold temps on both the front and back side of the heart of winter.

We can only guess, but I don't expect a notable increase. Will it help on a short trip vs the current heater? Sure. Or help a truck that sits at a cold jobsite everyday? Maybe. But significant range increase? No.

95% of my miles are shorter trips. I dont have a heated garage where I work, it sits outside. You are very smart regarding Ford EV's but I'm going to guess that Ford put some real thought into this decision to pull the trigger on adding it to the 2024's and would not be doing this if they didnt think there was meaningful benefit to a significant customer base... especially at a time when they need to standardize and simplify not be adding new componetry to drive up costs further.

 

[Yellow Buddy]

Should improve efficiency during moderate temperatures, so should give most folks on the coasts and the south some better numbers. Won’t help for the northern plains though, that’s tough country for EVs.

the best thing ford could do is add a battery Warming capability to the app or the truck

I know it’s the wrong forums but I have found Rivians solution to be quite good where they utilize motor waste heat to warm the cabin. I’ve found that it o be quite efficient and capable in moderate temperatures and wouldn’t have known it wasn’t a heat pump running.

If they could pair that with a heat pump, I think that would might some of the colder temp issues and give enough BTUs to power through in the transition climates but I don’t think we’ll truly be able to get away from resistive heat at freezing temps.

 

[Txxthie]

We have no way of knowing how well the heat pump will be implemented or how well it will perform. The original heat pump introduced on the Tesla Model Y actually becomes counterproductive -- turning into an active cooler -- at sub-zero temperatures. Tesla updated the design and added another resistive heater to the system. I can tell you, owning an early-VIN Model Y with the original heat pump design and a few of the other things that were quickly updated after launch, it is a 120 mile car in -7°F temperatures if I don't have it plugged in and battery fully conditioned before driving in those temps.



I wouldn't say it's to improve range, but rather to mitigate range loss due to cold ambient temperatures.

According WeberAuto there is no resistance component. The Tesla heat pump uses 15+ ways to scavenge for heat. No other manufacturer has anything close to this sophistication. Tesla’s thermal system (octo valve and super manifold) are brilliantly engineered, compact and used with minor modifications on all its vehicles. For the majority of people who live in this country, an EV with a heat pump is a very good thing. I’ve owned 8 EVs and those with heat pumps don’t suffer a major hit to efficiency. There’s always gonna be exceptions, states further north or other parts of the country where it gets freaking cold and heat pumps aren’t as beneficial. The majority of the population doesn’t live in those states. You gotta buy the vehicle that’s appropriate for your needs and environment..

Fords current thermal system uses off the shelf parts and will be a future nightmare to service. It is a stop gap until it’s Gen 2 EVs ship.

 

[Randall Stephens]

I have to laugh... we dont go straight from summer (AC season) to Arctic Temps up here in the Upper Midwest! In order to get to the very Frigid months (January, February) you have to go thru some milder cold temps on both the front and back side of the heart of winter.



95% of my miles are shorter trips. I dont have a heated garage where I work, it sits outside. You are very smart regarding Ford EV's but I'm going to guess that Ford put some real thought into this decision to pull the trigger on adding it to the 2024's and would not be doing this if they didnt think there was meaningful benefit to a significant customer base... especially at a time when they need to standardize and simplify not be adding new componetry to drive up costs further.

You folks have two seasons. Mosquitoes and winter . Almost all the other spots in the country can use the heat pump year round. Upper Midwest, nope.

 

[COrocket]

Very unlikely. And I don't think that the heat pump is going to gain any notable range.

If it’s anything like other manufacturers, I would definitely expect it to make a difference in cold weather. We traded a 2018 Tesla with resistive heater for a 2022 with a heat pump and the winter range loss went from 30-40% to 10-20% range loss in the winter. I’m sure Ford had to justify the extra cost of a heat pump by being able to provide a demonstrable improvement for cold weather customers.

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